Muhammad cartoon row intensifies

[lizbud]

PCB I realise that your post comes from the heart, but I genuinely fail to see what it has to do with freedom of speech. That is what this thread is about.

No sensible person believes that all Muslims are bad because of the media, as you suggest. I can't speak for your media, but ours certainly does not suggest it. Nor do people believe that all Muslims are bad, period. However, the failure of some Muslim groups to condem terrorists and extremists, does harm the entire community.

I agree with these comments completely, especially the last sentence.

Where is the outrage from the Muslim community when their prophet's
commandments are ignored by slashing the throats of helpless captives.

[RICHARD]

this is kinda off topic but follow me for a bit.


There is a new backlash against the illegal immigrants that are flooding the state of Cah lee fuh nee ah.

The state is spending more and more money for education, medical help for these people.

We are also being pushed to give them driver's licenses, state aid - welfare and food stamps.

Anytime someone speaks out against the I.I.'s the people start to cry RACISM, HATE and what ever else you can think of.

I am a first generation Cal lee fuh nee an, and American, with roots from Mexico.


Do I find the II's offensive? You betcha! For all the reasons above.

I have found out that many of the newer immigrants come here and use the services, take advantage of all the things that the people who came here legally fought and worked for.

I walk into a super market and see a woman open a package, feed herself, her kids and ditch the bag of food before they get to the cashier.

I stopped feeling sorry for them A LONG TIME AGO.

Go to a store and watch people buying milk and juice, steak and eggs with my money....I do not begrudge them a good life, but I would like to seem them put more effort into getting it-not waiting for a hand out.


The thing I find most offensive are the 'rallys' where these poor illiterate people hold up signs (mispelled) asking to treated with dignity and the idea that they should be given 'rights'!

They are just pawns for the industrys that use them as cheap labor, the politicians who use them a cheap photo ops and as a bargaining strategy.

I choose to be realistic in what I believe and what I'll fight for.

What I find truly offensive is having an Iman preach hate and murder over a frigging cartoon.....

The backlash isn't people burning Danish flags in the streets of the middle east...It's the rest of the world at a small group of people who do not know the meaning of free speech..

Yep, they can burn all the flags they want. Try to burn the Quran on the same block and you'll get shot..

It's freedom of speech when you tackle the Great Satan that lives in the West.


But like the old saying goes, when trying to burn the Quran...


DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!

This is not a rant against all Muslims, It's a knock against all the morons who use Islam and their positions to promote hate all across the planet.


And what make me think this is even more silly is the fact that most people are kept illiterate by their countries and their leaders.....

And If the Muhammed should be depicted in any graphic form -how do they even know that it's a cartoon against their religion?

It's the poor schmucks being used by the people "in the know" that I feel sorry for...

[RICHARD]

I just heard some of the media outlets in the Middle East are asking for cartoon about the Holocaust.


Here is my entry.

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Because the Holocaust never happened, according to a small faction of Muslims, there should be no submissions...

I am calling for a boycott. Of any, and all, bedsheets made of mulsin cotton!

[Randi]

It seems the link I wanted to post last week is back up:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Anyone wanting to discuss this further, there's a good opportunity in the link at the bottom of the page.

[JenBKR]

I wasn't going to respond, but I'll just say that I can understand Popcornbird's take on the situation. If it was Jesus that was the target of the cartoon, I would be pretty upset. Not to say that I condone at all the threats and violence, but I can't judge an entire group of people based on a few extremists. There are extremists in Christianity that I'm not proud of, people that take it way too far, and I hope not to be judged by them as well.

[popcornbird]

Having freedom of speech is one thing. Using it in the wrong way is not acceptable when it comes to the media spreading it, especially when it is intended to hurt a major part of the world. That's called the misuse of freedoms. Too much of anything is good for nothing. If its an individual using his freedom of speech to say such things, fine. A newspaper showing it to the whole world and in such an insultive way is NOT acceptable.

Richard, I wasn't going to answer you, but I can't stand it any longer. Words cannot express how much you anger me sometimes. Do NOT dare bring the Quran in this. Comparing the Quran to flags? Shame on you. There's a major difference between flags and a book people believe to be from God. For Muslims, without the Quran, there is no life. Its more important than oxygen to us. You compare the wrong things. If you want to burn the flag of a Muslim country, big deal. That would hardly offend anyone. Even if it would, certainly not to such an extent. It makes me furious that you would dare mention the Quran in this way. I can't believe I'm responding this nicely when I'm so angry inside. Ugh.

I'm still observing and pondering over the hypocracy here. Its actually quite amusing. Sheesh.

[caseysmom]

PCB, I think this really is hard for us westerners to relate to, try to remember that. People drive around with a cartoon of a boy peeing on the cross all the time, to me you just can't get that mad about things like that life is to short and its not worth it.

On the other hand I think the cartoon was in poor taste but look people are getting killed over this that part is just overboard. Try to remember those are all symbols and people will desecrate them, whats in your heart is whats important.

[RICHARD]

Richard, I wasn't going to answer you, but I can't stand it any longer. Words cannot express how much you anger me sometimes. Do NOT dare bring the Quran in this. Comparing the Quran to flags? Shame on you. There's a major difference between flags and a book people believe to be from God. For Muslims, without the Quran, there is no life. Its more important than oxygen to us. You compare the wrong things. If you want to burn the flag of a Muslim country, big deal. That would hardly offend anyone. Even if it would, certainly not to such an extent. It makes me furious that you would dare mention the Quran in this way. I can't believe I'm responding this nicely when I'm so angry inside. Ugh.

Freedom of speech in the Middle East?

We regularly have people burning flags and books, bibles and churches here in the UNITED STATES. No problem.

Apparently you miss the point. If these protestors have the right to burn Danish, Swiss and any other flags, why not burn a Quran?? I merely pointed out the hypocrisy behind the idea of the self righteousness of the idiots that are fanning the flames of this controversy.

I recognize the poor people used as pawns in the demonstrations and the AHs that are at the head of these countries, laughing at how these cartoons keep the heat off of them-They keep the populace poor, shoeless and illiterate....in order to keep themselves in power...

Hating the Great Satan keeps the people ticked off at them and not us!

You burn the book, not the ideals behind it. Same thing with any paper product.

Asking for Holocaust cartoons really makes sense...


Of course I can burn anything I want. It's my right. Should I be stupid enough to go downtown to a mosque and do it there I am assured that a few people will take exception and I probably will go to jail.

Hypocrisy?

Look it up in the dictionary.

It's people taking the teachings of Muhammed and calling for the infidels to be smitten.

It's an iman, with nothing better to do, advocating death because of a cartoon.

It's the guy from the Council on Muslim Affairs (or somesuch organization) coming on American TV and saying that it is wrong to portray the Prophet in pen......But not acknowledging the hooliganism going on...instead he makes excuses and says that the teachings of Islam are misunderstood.


Just like here in Lost Angeles after the riots in 1994.

People get the kneejerk reaction going and all hell breaks loose.
Burn down your neighborhood, the stores on the corners, burn it all down.

Just like the car fires in France and Germany. Show your discontent by destroying everything around you. Then come back and tell the world that you are mistrusted, misunderstood and not respected.

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When the Holocaust cartoons are printed watch what happens.

Rabbis will shake their heads and wonder. The people who actually suffered during that time will shed a tear and no one will take to the streets to protest in front of any embassy...

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I'll let you in on a secret. If I was stuck on a desert island with a Bible
and no paper to wipe my rear end, using it in that way wouldn't diminish the thought or idea behind it. It's what you believe and what's in your heart.

Not some moron who says, "Boycott, Kill, Protest, Destroy..."

There are plenty of voices like that that rise above the din. It's up to the people at his feet to pull him down and denounce that kind of 'free speech'-until that happens, I do not buy one word of it.

Bruce Hornsby says it best-

"That's just the way it is, Somethings will NEVER change."