anyone against bush, US president?

[lady_zana]

Not spin, ES, fact. Spin is bringing up history that's no longer relevant (Bush's past in the petroleum industry, it's two decades in the past) to smear someone in the present.

No, spin is saying something in a light to sway public opinion. It isn't always used to smear a person and nor is it always something from the past.


To provide an interpretation of (a statement or event, for example), especially in a way meant to sway public opinion: “a messenger who spins bogus research into a vile theology of hatred” (William A. Henry III).

-- www.dictionary.com

Spin - a political agenda, twisting truths or facts into something that "proves" your point of view.

-- http://ircpolitics.org/glossary.html#S

[Lady's Human]

LZ, in this case, it was spin. There are MANY definitions of it, I was using one that happened to fit the situation.

It was also a smear (bringing up old, unsubstantiated allegations that have been openly aired in public many times). They are not mutually exclusive.

[RICHARD]

No, spin is saying something in a light to sway public opinion. It isn't always used to smear a person and nor is it always something from the past.


To provide an interpretation of (a statement or event, for example), especially in a way meant to sway public opinion: “a messenger who spins bogus research into a vile theology of hatred” (William A. Henry III).

-- www.dictionary.com

Spin - a political agenda, twisting truths or facts into something that "proves" your point of view.

-- http://ircpolitics.org/glossary.html#S

Spin: V. - the cycle after wash.

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Spin: V. - Method used by Lance Armstrong to train for the Tour de Freance.

Livestrong.com

Spin: V. - the proverbial crock of "stuff"

Any politician.com

[Edwina's Secretary]

It was also a smear (bringing up old, unsubstantiated allegations that have been openly aired in public many times).

Is this how you would define the action of those guys who accused Kerry of lying about his performance in Viet Nam???

And btw....the SEC DID investigate Bush....never let facts get in the way of a good spin...

[Lady's Human]

ES, I looked at several stories, the jist of the preliminary investigation was that nothing was found that would lead to a formal investigation.

There are a lot of questions about Kerry's actions in Vietnam, among them being why he was not given an honorable discharge until the late '70's. (Even if one is discharged from active duty to the reserve components you get a discharge of some sort) The normal route leading to such a late discharge is an OTH (Other than honorable or General under honorable conditions) being challenged leading to an honorable discharge several years after the fact, which is among the many reasons there are a lot of people who question his service record. Given the timeline of the "Winter Soldiers" issues, and given the fact that under the UCMJ it is illegal to participate in partisan political activities (which Winter soldiers most certainly was) while in the service, I would question what the original discharge he was given was. Kerry also caused breaches of the UCMJ while he was campaigning, using uniformed servicemen as political props at campaign events, which is illegal under the hatch act.

[Corinna]

Spin The art of making some thing soft and fuzzy in to durable yarn for knittin Corinna's spinsters Alminac.

Sorry couldn't help it. I will ot get sucked in to this debate Just go to www.goodnewsIraq.com Whether you agree we should have gone or not we are making a better life for those folks.
Of course the main stream news wouldn't mention this stuff.

[RICHARD]

ES. (Even if one is discharged from active duty to the reserve components you get a discharge of some sort)

Does his wife know he came back from Viet Nam with this discharge??

[Edwina's Secretary]

pssstt...LH....VietNam was a long time ago....you are engaging in what YOU defined as smear!

You are very selective in what you call smear and what you call spin. Your guy spins...the other guy smears.....

A preliminary investigation is an investigation....

I was around during Viet Nam....going into the National Guard or the Reserves...first was very hard to do....it was a way to avoid going to Viet Nam. My brother-in-law at the time did it (you had to use clout to get in...my bil had a dad who was a state cop.) To call GW's enlistment anything other than draft dodging is pure BS.....but I am sure you classify that as a smear....ancient history that has been hashed over.....

But of course in the word of VP Cheney..."I had better things to do..."

How can you not call Kerry's military service smear? It was longer ago than Bush failure as an oilman????

[Lady's Human]

ES, I didn't bring up Kerry's record, you did.

Former VP gore is not old news, as he keeps inserting himself into the political scene, regardless of how inconsequential he is. Funny, it used to be the loser bowed out gracefully and let the winner do the job. The first President Bush was not really heard from after his defeat, President Ford remained largely out of the spotlight, and President Carter did as well. It seems that the part of the graceful loser and the graceful exit of the chief executives is a thing of the past (thank you to President Clinton's team for that).