anyone against bush, US president?

[Edwina's Secretary]

One thing to remember.....there are three sides to every story...his, hers and the truth....

Has Bush lied?....to answer that question requires us to know his intent. Has he said some things that were untrue? Yes. Many of his statements regarding the tax cut and who it would help were misleading at best. Yellow cake uranium....bad intelligence. WMDs (which one of his guys said....we know they have them and we know where they are?) Mission accomplished....which he balmed on the sailors..... Today I was in a book store and there was a whole book of the Lies of Bush and His Administration! I didn't buy it as I was already over my limit. Next time.

I believe the nation was mislead into the war in Iraq. Bush shakes the rattle of 9/11...like a voodoo witch doctor...to justify violating the civil rights of Americans. Remember....there has been no connection found between Saddam/Iraq and 9/11. Bush himself has said that. And no WMD.

In fact....many believe the invasion has HELPED Al Qaida recruit. Feeling safer all the time? Take a look at the election of Hamas in Palestine this week.

Is Saddam a bad guy? Absolutely. But let's talk about bad guys (see last week's Parade magazine for a list of the 10 worst...) North Korea, Zimbawe, China..... Are they as bad as Saddam?....depends on whether you live in Iraq or North Korea! Are we going to spill the blood of our people to take out all these bad guys....or will we pick and chose?

Are things better in Iraq? Does the press only report bad news? Those are opinions. Did Bush squander the good will of most of the world toward the US after 9/11? Again...an opinion.

Am I right and he is wrong? Three sides to every story....

Just don't let anyone use fear...the rattle...or fast talk or loose facts and figures to convince you.

Read everything you can. Ask lots of questions.

And remember this quote...."he who is willing to give up freedom for security will have neither."

[Suki Wingy]

I wouldn't know because I'm not yet 18 but my parents say they rather pay higher taxes to help the country and I can see where they are coming from.
As for the common sence and problem solving type intelegence of our President, I don't see how it can be too high. However much I would like to give someone else a chance, I know I will probably never be more than 60% happy with the government even though I tend to be on the liberal 'let everything slide' side, I'm not religious and I would like to see the total separation of any spiritual feelings and government, even though that is NEVER going to happen

[RICHARD]

One thing to remember.....there are three sides to every story...his, hers and the truth....

There's three sides to every story babe:
There's yours and there's mine and the cold, hard truth
I think there's something missing 'round here
I don't know where it's gone
But it's a long way back home
-dh


I feel really safe, What does Hamas have to do with the US?

If you want to feel threatened look at the warning that the Gov't. put out to the people who built the border tunnel in San Diego.....THEY ARE IN DANGER?

What about us? You live closer to the border and to SAN ONOFRE.....Let me know if anything happens?



And the Voodoo witch doctor thing?
Everyone is worried about GWB's beliefs and now we have to worry about Santeria!!


I say we pick and choose our enemies...

We start out with the morons and work our way up the ladder....you know, kinda like a tournament!

I am still waiting for my cheap Iraqi oil.......After all, we have paid for it in blood..



"He who is willing to give up freedom for security will have neither-

But if you want to be a bobo and tuck you head in the sand, remember to keep your pants up. There are people out there that will take advantage of someone not watching their six"

"Watching your six" is a fighter pilot saying....it means not paying attention to what is behind you!

[BitsyNaceyDog]

Bush's personal gain? WHAT personal gain?

I am still waiting for my cheap Iraqi oil.......After all, we have paid for it in blood.

That will never happen, not while Bush is President anyway. Don't forget he's in the oil business. He wants the prices we pay to be high, it means more money in his pockets. After all isn't that what his goal is- to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. If that's not his goal, he sure is fooling me.

[Lady's Human]

Former VP Gore has much more than President Bush in oil money. The President's net worth is listed variably as between 9 and 26 million dollars, with the largest single piece of his portfolio being his Crawford, Tx ranch. He has not been in the petroleum industry since the early '80s.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Nice try LH. How did he perform when he was in the oil industry by the way? Poorly? Did he make any money at it? He did? How is that? He sold his little compnay to another company and then sold his stock JUST BEFORE it tanked! Doesn't the SEC have a problem with that kind of action? Doesn't that mean many other people LOST money because they didn't sell when GW did?

All that aside....how much of GW's campaign contributions come from oil companies? WHo was on his committee to look into energy policy? And how much profit did Exxon Mobil make in 2005......NET profit????

Nice spin though.....bringing up Gore's portfolio....

[Lady's Human]

Not spin, ES, fact. Spin is bringing up history that's no longer relevant (Bush's past in the petroleum industry, it's two decades in the past) to smear someone in the present. The transaction that you mentioned was looked into by the SEC and no formal investigation was launched.

Fact would be that Former VP Gore, who constantly proclaims he is an environmentalist and publicly champions combustion emissions caps has large amounts of oil stocks (Standard Oil Co) in his portfolio. While a part of that portfolio is a blind trust, he could contact the trust's administrators and request that they divest in stocks that he finds offensive, which he hasn't done. It falls under the heading of cleaning your own porch first.

Compared to other sectors, the energy industry in general did not contribute much during the 2004 election cycle at all, giving $4.2 Mil, as compared to lawyers and lobbyist groups, who gave over $22 million dollars.

[Edwina's Secretary]

But it is spin when you bring up Gore as a counter to Bush....he was in the 2000 election. History...past...irrevelant.

And aren't you being a teensy bit disengeneous in your statement that the SEC did not launch a formal investigation. Will you tell us what the SEC did?

And if spin is "bringing up past that is no longer relevant"....how do you use it in discussing Cindy Sheehan and the SOTU? Her dead son is past and therefore irrelevant?

[lady_zana]

Not spin, ES, fact. Spin is bringing up history that's no longer relevant (Bush's past in the petroleum industry, it's two decades in the past) to smear someone in the present.

No, spin is saying something in a light to sway public opinion. It isn't always used to smear a person and nor is it always something from the past.


To provide an interpretation of (a statement or event, for example), especially in a way meant to sway public opinion: “a messenger who spins bogus research into a vile theology of hatred” (William A. Henry III).

-- www.dictionary.com

Spin - a political agenda, twisting truths or facts into something that "proves" your point of view.

-- http://ircpolitics.org/glossary.html#S