We're Buying from a Breeder

[Pam]

I am sorry you reacted so hotly Johanna. It was not my intention to rile you up. You must realize, though, that you and I were "breeders" and we chose to be. We had/have that right. I am not disputing the fact that you are giving your son a loving home and caring for him. What I am disputing is your narrow view that any breeding of dogs (and I assume cats) is wrong, thus my comment regarding human breeding. If we were as righteous as we should be I guess we should all be adopting and all running out to get our tubes tied. I imagine somewhere out there is a forum as narrow minded as you seem to be, only it is on the subject where people are criticized for having their own genetic children. Geesh!

[Cataholic]

Wow, Pam, thanks for making it so personal. That is just the hypocrisy I am speaking of. I am entitled to my opinion without being called narrow minded. To hear another woman call me a breeder is really, really sad. You have personally attacked me, and my opinions. I am not riled up, I am emphatically speaking my opinion, without labelling you, or anyone else, for theirs. And, just for the record, I wasn't imagining that you were somehow faulting my child rearing skills. I have a wee bit more self esteem than that. You are a total stranger to me. Your opinion cannot have that sort of impact on my life, nor should mine on anyone else's.

If you calmly go back and read my posts, you will see that I did not attack people for breeding their dogs (and cats, you are right, I feel the same way there). I just don't think it is right. I guess I should look at it this way, it always gives me a chance to push rescue.

[Pam]

I am entitled to my opinion without being called narrow minded.

To say that all breeding must stop is pretty darned narrow minded if you ask me or the umpti-thousands of good breeders all over the world who are trying to better their respective breeds. You have your opinion. I absolutely disagree with it. I have mine. End of discussion.

[Cataholic]

To say that all breeding must stop is pretty darned narrow minded if you ask me or the umpti-thousands of good breeders all over the world who are trying to better their respective breeds. You have your opinion. I absolutely disagree with it. I have mine. End of discussion.

Rightly so, if you hadn't personally attacked me. Rightly so.

[BC_MoM]

You know, I used to be 110% against any breeding, reputable or not.

But that's just not reality.

All NON reputable breeding NEEDS to be stopped as soon as we all can do so. THEY are the reasons there are not enough homes, as are people who refuse/can't afford to have their animals neutered/spayed.

As long as Crazy-Cat-Lover buys from a REPUTABLE breeder and can return the pup if it turns out being too much, then I have changed my mind and am saying go ahead. We can't force her to adopt an older dog who is homeless. She wants a cute little puppy that she will have to wait and see what it will be like as an adult. That is the mistake many pet owners make.

[LuvGold00]

The lengths you go to to justify your breeding is very upsetting to me. Bring 'em all into the world....bring 'em all in.

I could go on and on about this, and I'm sure you could too, but both of us know it's a waste of time. All I'm going to say is that there are no lengths I wouldn't take to protect MY breed and MY breeding program. I've had 4 litters of puppies, a total of 30 puppies. 27 of those puppies are spayed/neutered (which I have certificates from their vet to prove) and are on strict contracts stating I get them back if their owners can no longer keep them, or don't want them. The other 3 are show/breeding puppies, of which 1 I completely own and the other 2 I co-own. Those 2 are on strict contracts stating their puppies must be sold on spay/neuter contracts and will go back to the breeder or me if the puppy is no longer wanted. That, plus all their health clearances and health guarantees.
I agree with part of what your saying I know breeders that have 30+ puppies in 2 months time, I think it's terrible. But I can tell you right now I am not adding to the problem, those 30 puppies are over 6 years time and I keep in touch with all of them. I'm more saddened than angry you think all breeding should stop, and I know you are entitled to your own opinion, but sometimes you maybe shouldn't voice it here.

[Kfamr]

Everyone, can we take the breeder discussion to PM's? That's not what this thread is about. I don't mean to offend to any of you but, I'd really like to see this thread used to help Tasha find her shelter dog.

Just thought I would let you know that the Lab Kay posted (Tanner) about isnt good with small children. Darn!

I'll keep searching!

[Cataholic]

Not to offend you, Kay, but, I would like to address Kara's post (at least, I think that is your name!!). Thank you for stating your opinion so clearly, and without attacking me. We do disagree, but, we should be able to move on from here, also.

I was afraid that if I merely pm'd you, I would be accused of not being mature, or coming forward with praise, or some other nonsense. But, I do mean what I said about thanking you...

[lv4dogs]

I am against breeding, in all forms, for any reason, for anyone.

I honest to god am not trying to start anything or prolong anything here but seriously think about it. If EVERYONE stopped breeding we would have NO dogs or cats (or hamsters or any pets or service animals nothing) left in about 20 years from now.
Nope NO ANIMAL COMPANIONS from there on out. NEVER.

We have to stop the bad breeders not the good ones.

[.sarah]

Here is a Lab rescue in BC! Clicky

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

She wants a cute little puppy that she will have to wait and see what it will be like as an adult. That is the mistake many pet owners make.

I want a cute little puppy eh? That is NOT my intention AT ALL! Yes, puppies are cute, but would I get any dog just because its cute? I would rather have an ugly, well behaved dog than a cute bad behaved dog. My choice to get a puppy was NOT because they are cute. Puppies are hard work and I know everything there is to know about training dogs. A puppy is great because you can raise it with small children, big children, cats, snakes, hamsters, MEN, other adults etc. You can take the puppy for walks on busy streets so they can get used to vehicles, take them to to vet plenty of times, ALL so they grow up to accept these things as adults.

Whos to say an adult dog wont fear/dislike men with glasses or beards? Alot of these things CANNOT be judged by a shelter. They test the dogs with cats, kids and other dogs. They dont take the dog out and see how he will react to big bikers or how they will react to crying babies?! Having a puppy was my choice because I will know what goes into him, I will know what the puppy has been taught, no how he will react to everyday sounds.

I am far too mature to think that you only have pets because they're cute. Two out of three of my cats are rescues. I wouldnt change a thing. I love Sebastian, I raised him since he was 7 weeks old. He is just like me, in a cats body. Animals DO act like their owners, your attitude reflects how your animals will grow up. I am considering adopting a dog from a shelter, but not a dog that is a senior with 2 years left to live. Who knows if the dog I adopt doesnt have tons of issues that the shelter couldnt see? These are my reasons for wanting to raise a puppy, I wish dogs didnt have the puppy stages, I wish they were all born knowing where to go potty and had the intelligence to be born with basic training.

To everyone else, thank you for your opinions/thoughts. But I think this thread should be closed. My thread turned into a big argument and I think that when I find my new dog, I should open up a brand new thread. That way we can start from the beginning and forget about all of this mess!

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Here is a Lab rescue in BC! Clicky

Thank you Sarah! How did you manage to find that? LOL!

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Can we please have this thread closed now? I will open up a new thread with pictures of dogs that I may adopt. We can have *nice* conversations there!

Thank you...

[.sarah]

Thank you Sarah! How did you manage to find that? LOL!

Searching through Yahoo

[.sarah]

Can we please have this thread closed now? I will open up a new thread with pictures of dogs that I may adopt. We can have *nice* conversations there!

Thank you...

Probably a good idea ... did you PM Karen to ask her to close it?