We're Buying from a Breeder

[LuvGold00]

Vela, (and Pam, if I remember correctly),
I think ALL breeding should stop. All. My bone of contention is that there are some people (even on this board ) that get some special pass when it comes to breeding, and I have never quite understood it. Sure there are BYB that are just unspeakable, and then, there are some BYB that make sure their puppies go to good loving homes. It is still the same, to me. There are too many pets- whether they come from Mr. X or Mrs. Y. The term 'responsible' that we banter about is so completely subjective. Just because so and so says, "oh, I do all sorts of tests, blah, blah, I don't do it for money, blah, blah" doesn't do anything about decreasing the pet population. These people that breed, without a recongnizable kennel name, or some strong affiliation with show (or agility, field, or whatever the goal they are seeking might be), are BYBs. The AKC doesn't spend much time (if any, as they are regulatory in nature) weeding out, admonishing, halting, ceasing, etc., when it comes to registration, the very thing that people cry out, "I am not BYB, I am breeding dogs/cats registered with the AKC"! That
is a tragedy. Yes, I do think they **should** do something.

I don't think we need anymore animals-pure, mixed-period, born into this world. When we start to lose some of this "gotta have a purebred" mentality, we can really get back to humanity- saving those that are already here, through no fault of their own.

I know, I know, beating a dead horse.... but I just gotta say, as a BREEDER myself... OUCH, you have no clue. <<off soapbox>>

Crazy-Cat-Lover
Good luck with whatever happens, just follow your heart. I'm glad Kay could help you, she's one amazing woman. The world should have more people like her.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Thank you!

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Just thought I would let you know that the Lab Kay posted (Tanner) about isnt good with small children. Darn!

[Kfamr]

Everyone, can we take the breeder discussion to PM's? That's not what this thread is about. I don't mean to offend to any of you but, I'd really like to see this thread used to help Tasha find her shelter dog.

Just thought I would let you know that the Lab Kay posted (Tanner) about isnt good with small children. Darn!

I'll keep searching!

[Cataholic]

Not to offend you, Kay, but, I would like to address Kara's post (at least, I think that is your name!!). Thank you for stating your opinion so clearly, and without attacking me. We do disagree, but, we should be able to move on from here, also.

I was afraid that if I merely pm'd you, I would be accused of not being mature, or coming forward with praise, or some other nonsense. But, I do mean what I said about thanking you...

[Cataholic]

I know, I know, beating a dead horse.... but I just gotta say, as a BREEDER myself... OUCH, you have no clue. <<off soapbox>>

Crazy-Cat-Lover
Good luck with whatever happens, just follow your heart. I'm glad Kay could help you, she's one amazing woman. The world should have more people like her.

Ohhhh, trust me, I know a dead horse when I see one. The lengths you go to to justify your breeding is very upsetting to me. Bring 'em all into the world....bring 'em all in.

[Pam]

Ohhhh, trust me, I know a dead horse when I see one. The lengths you go to to justify your breeding is very upsetting to me. Bring 'em all into the world....bring 'em all in.

Gosh I don't mean to start anything here, but sometimes Johanna you are just a wee bit abrasive. We could carry this into the human realm as well you know. Why did you or I choose to have our own genetic children when there are children in foster care just waiting to be adopted not to mention those in other countries. I think you need to loosen up here a bit.

[Cataholic]

Gosh I don't mean to start anything here, but sometimes Johanna you are just a wee bit abrasive. We could carry this into the human realm as well you know. Why did you or I choose to have our own genetic children when there are children in foster care just waiting to be adopted not to mention those in other countries. I think you need to loosen up here a bit.

WHAT? Did you read HER post? You must be kidding me. What is it that prevents you from seeing that what I said is my opinion, and that is it? SHE said what she did about a dead horse. Not me. Sheesh. I hate to sound so silly, but, I DIDN'T START IT! Did you pm her and say, "wow, maybe you shouldn't have phrased it like that"? I am betting not. The fact is, you have the same opinion as she does, so, you somehow think your opinion carries more merit than mine. That is what separates opinion from fact! I am all for a difference of opinion. I am not for hypocrisy. I see alot of it, frankly, on here. Alot of it. Sure, I express my opinions. And, I know, if you are not one that believes as I do, you are going to find 'fault' with it. I know that, that is human nature. But, to somehow overlook the post that I was referring to is really quite something.

As for carrying this into the human realm...wow. I am not sure how to address this. As much as I love my cats, and I do love them tons, there is a difference. Adoption, as a single woman, isn't as easy as you might be led to believe. And, it is somewhat costly. I know this personally, as my sister adopted a child from China, and two of my current clients adopted, as single women. It wasn't cheap. Second, Jonah wasn't a planned event, though, he was and is the joy of my life. While I would not trade him for all the tea in China, I hadn't 'planned' on having him. Having said that, I can assure you that I carry him 100% of the way, would not pawn him off on others, would not in a million years consider 'euthanizing' him (hey, you made the comparison, not me), don't keep him chained up outside, I provide quality food for, clothe him, and see that he has access to excellent medical care. I also do not sit around and justify why someone should bring children into the world.

Really, there is no comparison between a child and a pet- though I love them both. I am not quite sure where you are coming from.


I am against breeding, in all forms, for any reason, for anyone. That is my opinion, and I am welcome to it. That yours differs doesn't lessen mine. No matter how many times you state it, or, justify it, or attack me, personally, over it. That might be the difference between someone like you, and someone like me. I can accept it, and carry on. I don't need to be right, or convince you to believe differently.

Johanna

[lv4dogs]

I am against breeding, in all forms, for any reason, for anyone.

I honest to god am not trying to start anything or prolong anything here but seriously think about it. If EVERYONE stopped breeding we would have NO dogs or cats (or hamsters or any pets or service animals nothing) left in about 20 years from now.
Nope NO ANIMAL COMPANIONS from there on out. NEVER.

We have to stop the bad breeders not the good ones.

[.sarah]

Here is a Lab rescue in BC! Clicky

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Here is a Lab rescue in BC! Clicky

Thank you Sarah! How did you manage to find that? LOL!

[LuvGold00]

The lengths you go to to justify your breeding is very upsetting to me. Bring 'em all into the world....bring 'em all in.

I could go on and on about this, and I'm sure you could too, but both of us know it's a waste of time. All I'm going to say is that there are no lengths I wouldn't take to protect MY breed and MY breeding program. I've had 4 litters of puppies, a total of 30 puppies. 27 of those puppies are spayed/neutered (which I have certificates from their vet to prove) and are on strict contracts stating I get them back if their owners can no longer keep them, or don't want them. The other 3 are show/breeding puppies, of which 1 I completely own and the other 2 I co-own. Those 2 are on strict contracts stating their puppies must be sold on spay/neuter contracts and will go back to the breeder or me if the puppy is no longer wanted. That, plus all their health clearances and health guarantees.
I agree with part of what your saying I know breeders that have 30+ puppies in 2 months time, I think it's terrible. But I can tell you right now I am not adding to the problem, those 30 puppies are over 6 years time and I keep in touch with all of them. I'm more saddened than angry you think all breeding should stop, and I know you are entitled to your own opinion, but sometimes you maybe shouldn't voice it here.