Is this correct or incorrect

**lv4dogs** · 01-20-2006, 02:56 PM

I understand where you are coming from Glacier. I also do not follow those rules, I do the same as you do. I am alpha in my pack.

I was just trying to clarify that for a less experienced owner or for one with major dominance issues it may be best to treat the leader as the leader.

I guess I should of took more time to explain. Thats why I made sure to include words like if & should. Guess that wasn't enough. lol

(this thread is almost more about grammer, proper wording & the like than anything else)

LOL

**WolvesRawk** · 01-20-2006, 04:35 PM

With my pets, I'm the alfa so tey respect me and everything I do. If I want to pet Gaia, Mojo waits even though he is a higher rank than Gaia. It really depends on your rank in the pack.

**lizbud** · 01-20-2006, 04:45 PM

I guess I never think about who to "treat" as an Alpha. I pet each
when I want to & let them work out their order in rank.

Interesting thread.

**catnapper** · 01-20-2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by juju

Thanks for the reply catoholic only i am dyslexic.and have great problems with me english.it really gets me down, Any help from you would be apreciated if you have the time, only i envy people like yourself.

thanks julie

I wish people would stop using dyslexia as a crutch and excuse. I have dygraphia which is the same as dyslexia, only numbers switch around on me. Yet I manage to get phone numbers right and do my taxes properly. My son has bad dyslexia. His typing skills are horrid, but when he takes his time, there's no problem. I have to check and recheck my number ALL the time. Yesterday at work I messed up a SKU number for someone buying a fish. Boy did I feel stupid, especially after I triple checked that the numbers were right (apparently my rechecking was wrong!

)

Point is, we all make mistakes based on our limitations but we still TRY to be accurate and correct. The way you presented the question and the subsequent attitude shows me that you do NOT try... you basically choose to say you have dyslxia and let the disorder rule you instead of working hard to compensate and overcome your problem.

PS: I am a God-awful typer. If I didn't check and recheck my typing, you'd see about 20 more errors than I usually finally post

**Crazy-Cat-Lover** · 01-21-2006, 04:56 AM

You should be the dominant *dog*, the leader of the pack. Your dogs should be subordinates. I have read this in many, many books and on websites. Dogs should look at their owners as the dominant ones, not themselves. But if you have say, 3 dogs, you are the leader and the dogs are subordinates. This can mean that some are lower in the pack than the other, but you should always be the leader. It makes for better training and a well mannered dog. The leader of the pack thinks he should eat first, even before the humans. I would establish this by feeding my daughter, then my BF and me - BEFORE I feed the dog. That way they understand that YOU are the master! Go here to read about it.

Remember, this is my opinion and there is no need to argue about it...

**Crazy-Cat-Lover** · 01-21-2006, 04:58 AM

Pssst... Haven't you noticed that *most* of the new members have so called Dyslexia?

**anna_66** · 01-21-2006, 10:53 AM

OK, maybe I should stay out of this but oh well...
I think we've made this memeber feel bad enough. This person IS from another country and maybe the grammar isn't perfect, the spelling or capitalization when needed, but who cares? You know the question they are asking don't you? Just answer the question and stop the smart a** remarks.

Now back to the subject...
I don't have issues so it all depends who's closest to me as to who gets petted. I'd say it all depends on how you want to do it but Glacier said it best:

I am the boss of all of them and I don't particularly care how they work out the rest of the order.

**Dixieland Dancer** · 01-25-2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by anna_66

I think we've made this memeber feel bad enough. This person IS from another country and maybe the grammar isn't perfect, the spelling or capitalization when needed, but who cares? You know the question they are asking don't you? Just answer the question and stop the smart a** remarks.

Very well said, Anna. I don't frequent PT as much as I use to for this very reason. Too many people are quick to look for faults instead of being helpful and nice. It's always done in the disquise of a "joke". If we all stop to think about it, we all have something that makes us different and if everyone "joked" about it, we could all end up feeling worse instead of better. Kindness and caring go a lot further than sarcasm and rudeness. Kind of like a true alpha dog vs. a dominant or aggressive one (described more below). This particular person isn't even from this country.

About the issue of this thread....

Originally Posted by Glacier

Muskwa is the boss dog and I honestly can't remember him ever being involved in a major fight. I believe a true alpha dog doesn't need to resort to aggression to assert his dominance and that true alphas are rare. Dominance and dog aggression are not neccessarily signs of a good alpha dog.

This statement says it all. Too many people get Alpha dog, dominance and aggression mixed up. They are not the same. Because you have an aggressive dog does not make him an alpha dog. Because your dog is dominant does not make him a true alpha. My Dixie is exactly like Glaciers Muskwa.... a true alpha female but not dominant or aggressive. She's never been in a dog fight because other dogs just know she is top dog. Dominant or Aggressive dogs are either possessive or insecure in something. True alpha dogs are very secure in their position. I never have to worry about Dixie because she is secure in knowing she is the Queen so she doesn't have to defend her status by fighting or being aggressive.

Even though I know Dixie is the alpha dog in the pack, her status is only that in the dog world. As her pack leader, I am alpha over her, always! So it's MY choice who I pet first or feed first. This just helps me solidify myself as alpha over them both. This fact is solidified from the time they are pups because I am the one who gives them everything Great in their life when they listen to me! I am not afraid to withhold something great if they are not willing to listen to me all the time. This is usually kibble during training. Eventually they realize "do what she says and I'll get what I want too"!

However, that being said.... I do not have two dominant (not true alpha) dogs battling. If there are two dogs that are constantly battling and the loser (lower pack rank) is constantly shown favoritism because it always loses and you feel sorry for it, you are creating a very instable pack order. The winner must be acknowledged so the battles will stop. In this situation you can affirm the dogs established pack order amongst themselves by petting, feeding, etc, the dominant or aggressive dog first. Even though I am alpha over them all, I still try to recognize their pack order and honor it so less friction will be in the pack in general. That is also a sign of a good alpha leader!

So in short... if you are not having issues, you chose who you want to greet first. Like others who have posted in this tread, it is usually the dog who responds first or shows up first. If you are having issues with dogs battling then you need to recognize what you need to do to make things more harmonious for everyone. If the dog does not recognize you as the leader of the pack, then you need to train the dog to realize all good things come for you. Only you can answer how this will be handled.

**Corinna** · 01-25-2006, 12:28 PM

Catnapper I have the number thing too. I would most likely have a lot of letter problems if I had not been given the love of reading and books. I am also LOUSEY TYPIST too. I'm just learning the key board so I make lots of mistakes, too.

**Cataholic** · 01-25-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dixieland Dancer

Very well said, Anna. I don't frequent PT as much as I use to for this very reason. Too many people are quick to look for faults instead of being helpful and nice. It's always done in the disquise of a "joke". If we all stop to think about it, we all have something that makes us different and if everyone "joked" about it, we could all end up feeling worse instead of better. Kindness and caring go a lot further than sarcasm and rudeness.

It was a joke. And, the irony is....somehow, in your world, you think YOUR comments somehow fly under the radar? You are three times more venomous in your attack on my comments than I was on the original poster. It was a joke. JOKE. What is the saying? Judge not lest you be judged? I always liked this one: It is the pot calling the kettle black.

And, btw, she might live outside the US, however, English is the mother tongue in GB, I believe.

**Dixieland Dancer** · 01-25-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cataholic

It was a joke. And, the irony is....somehow, in your world, you think YOUR comments somehow fly under the radar? You are three times more venomous in your attack on my comments than I was on the original poster. It was a joke. JOKE. What is the saying? Judge not lest you be judged? I always liked this one: It is the pot calling the kettle black.

And, btw, she might live outside the US, however, English is the mother tongue in GB, I believe.

In MY world, the comments would never of needed to fly under the radar because I would of just answered the girls question or ignored it. No joke!

I will not be replying to this thread anymore. I hope the advice I did post is useful to answering the original question juju posted.

**.sarah** · 01-25-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Cataholic

It was a joke. And, the irony is....somehow, in your world, you think YOUR comments somehow fly under the radar? You are three times more venomous in your attack on my comments than I was on the original poster. It was a joke. JOKE. What is the saying? Judge not lest you be judged? I always liked this one: It is the pot calling the kettle black.

I think that was a pretty lame and cruel joke. A polite "Please use better spelling and punctuation" would have been much easier to swallow.

**Cataholic** · 01-25-2006, 07:36 PM

.sarah- Lame and cruel? You must be joking yourself. Cruel? LOLOL...come on. I can appreciate you not having the same sense of humor as I might, and others too, seeing the comments after my post, but, to call it cruel? Might be a bit over the top there.

DD-As for the flying under the radar comment, I can see now why you missed the joke first time around. I am not sure you are reading things quite right. Seems you have no problem expressing YOUR thoughts on others comments, just as long as I keep mine to myself. Seems pretty fair, eh? LOL...pretty fair indeed. How do you manage that halo just so, please tell me. Oh, now I must go cry by myself to sleep...you have just been TOO harsh and unfair to me.

**CagneyDog** · 01-25-2006, 07:55 PM

I wish people would stop using dyslexia as a crutch and excuse

I totally agree. However, people spell things wrong here all the time. All of the younger PT'ers have every second word spelt wrong. I am not sure why everyone is going after juju?

**Cataholic** · 01-25-2006, 08:00 PM

CD- I wasn't "going after" the OP. Despite the person's comment that I was hiding behind the term 'joke', I truly was JOKING. When I read the post, that WAS the first thing that came to my mind. The grammar. It was funny to me. It was a play on words, really. The excuse of dyslexia was kind of weak...and really, I think a slap in the face to anyone that does have it, and struggles to not be limited or labeled by it. To think that dsylexia causes someone to not capitolize (Vela- did I spell it right this time?) correctly is a little off.

I can't figure out why some of these people are all so upset about this. It seems a little overboard to me, really.