Say No To Silver Labs

[Allecto]

it has to fit to the breed standard. i don't see why this is so hard to understand.

The Bible, the Qu'ran, the Vedas, the Torah, the Breed Standard...

Maybe it is because IRescue and Cagney see a dog first, and some arbitrary ruler of worth based on conformation to a standard in order to promote one's kennel/line/business second? Just a guess.

[Suki Wingy]

Dogs are not humans, don't treat them like one.

[IRescue452]

Sorry, I had to run to class. I couldn't finish. Anyway what I'm getting from all of this is that if white were the only shown color of human, then we wouldn't consider a black person human? They'd be worthless. Such as a lab that isn't the three show colours is a worthless creature that somehow isn't considered a labrador.

Husky mom: you are getting to extremes. I mean if a lab was born with no tail then by all means I'd say to neuter it. The colouring doesn't change the structure of the dog. One might not want to breed your husky or shepherd example, but I see nothing wrong with breeding white shepherds.

Suki: I know dogs aren't humans, they are objects we use to our working advantage. I don't quite get the illustration you were talking about either. I just don't get why can't we breed a silver labrador if thats what we want to use, for show or work. In fact I don't get kennel clubs at all. According to the AKC, there are many breeds that don't exist. The Hanoverian hound for one, does indeed exist, but according to AKC breeders there is no such dog. And a labrador that's silver in colour is not a dog. Strange lot of people they are indeed.

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Sorry, I had to run to class. I couldn't finish. Anyway what I'm getting from all of this is that if white were the only shown color of human, then we wouldn't consider a black person human? They'd be worthless. Such as a lab that isn't the three show colours is a worthless creature that somehow isn't considered a labrador.

Suki: I know dogs aren't humans, they are objects we use to our working advantage. I don't quite get the illustration you were talking about either. I just don't get why can't we breed a silver labrador if thats what we want to use, for show or work. In fact I don't get kennel clubs at all. According to the AKC, there are many breeds that don't exist. The Hanoverian hound for one, does indeed exist, but according to AKC breeders there is no such dog. And a labrador that's silver in colour is not a dog. Strange lot of people they are indeed.

no one is saying they're worthless. don't get so passionated about it.

please, READ and UNDERSTAND. your example of the hanoverian hound is silly. the AKC doesn't say that is not a breed, it just doesn't recognize it.
labradoodles is a new trend breed as well....just don't recognized by experts and organisms around the world.

you really should stop blaming all to breeders, it's not good for you. see the bigger picture! there are parent clubs to the breed who dictate what a lab should look like.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Geez! Just leave it alone! No matter what you say Torner, people arent going to stop breeding/buying Silver Labradors!

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Geez! Just leave it alone! No matter what you say Torner, people arent going to stop breeding/buying Silver Labradors!

NICE. you sound just like a 3 year old.

how would you know that? if people were educated and determined, of course it would stop.

i agree with Suki. if you one just a pet dog, adopt one from the shelter.
if you want to show (in beauty) don't buy a silver lab. it's that easy.

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Geez! Just leave it alone! No matter what you say Torner, people arent going to stop breeding/buying Silver Labradors!

NICE. you sound just like a 3 year old.

how would you know that? if people were educated and determined, of course it would stop.

i agree with Suki. if you want just a pet dog, adopt one from the shelter.
if you want to show (in beauty) don't buy a silver lab. it's that easy.

[Lady's Human]

Breed standard:

THis is why most working German Shepherds are from German lineage. the AKC standard dogs had the brains bred out of them to fit some artificial conformation appearance.

I'm sorry, I disagree with appearance the sole breed standard. A dog should look like the breed, AND be able to perform in whatever activity they were bred for.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

NICE. you sound just like a 3 year old.

how would you know that? if people were educated and determined, of course it would stop.

Well excuse me for expressing my feelings on this subject. The world has been educated about spaying/neutering too, yet we have thousands of dogs that die every year in shelters. People are going to keep breeding these dogs because people want them. Alot of silver lab breeders are 100% positive their dogs are purebred, not crossed with a Weimaraner in any which way. They will not stop because their puppies sell like hot cakes. For instance, one of the websites I visited had two litters of silver lab puppies. EVERY last one of them was sold instantly. People will always love labs and when they see this so called *rare* color, they want one.

Have people stopped breeding one pound Chihuahuas? Knowing that these dogs are born premature and have serious health problems? I personally think silver labs are gorgeous and if they can be registered with the AKC as purebred labs and they have the same working ability as the other colors, they should be bred.

Quote from a breeder...

"Everything written about the Silver Labs is based upon speculation. One statement that is commonly made is that there had to have been a Weimeraner introduced into the bloodlines to produce the silver color. This statement has been proven false. UC Berkley studied the genetic makeup of the Silver Lab against that of the Weimeraner. Researchers concluded that it was not the same."

"If a person should come upon one of the remaining "Silver Lab Hate sites" on the net and develops ANY doubts about Silver Labs, that person should go directly to AKC and ask the pertinent question to learn the facts."

[CagneyDog]

i don't recall ever telling you who to listen to. i just gave my point of veiw, and i'm trying to do something about according to where i stand on silverlabs.

Well if your just giving your "opionin" then i'll point out that we new your opionin from the VERY first post. There is no need to explain it again.

[dab_20]

the thing is they're not and come from doubtful kennels. not one reputable breeder in the world breeds silver. that's a warning

how do you know that for sure? maybe there is some people who breed them and do it just as responsibly as other breeders. maybe they think silvers are beautiful and hope they become part of the AKC or something. just saying.

[Suki Wingy]

Dogs are not humans.

I am technically a mutt, but I'm also a human! Same way horses who are crossbred regularly compete, they are accepted in their sport, other than conformation. If you breed a dog for show and you get a silver, I say spay it and give it a good home. With all the overpopulation of dogs though, I don't believe in breeding dogs just for pets. If you wanted a pet only you could go to the shelter.
That is my view and I am done with this thread.

[Allecto]

Dogs are not humans, don't treat them like one.

He made an assertion about recessive genetics and 'nature'. I simply extended it. That is all.

[Husky_mom]

just what i was going to say, so it might not be the desirable color for show and breeding purposes but it doesnt make them less lab.

as if i get a husky with floppy ears or a blue eyed samoyed or a shepherd born with no tail, that doesnt make them less of their breed, just not suitable for breeding and/or showing, but still they are purebreds, even if some traits are genetic issues, as if people have two toned skin (i really dont know the correct name) that doesnt make them less human......

[cali]

it has to fit to the breed standard. i don't see why this is so hard to understand.

why. WHO says that they must fit the breed stardard? you? the people who make their living with beauty contests? why? just cuz they say so? and why should I listen to them or you? why are only you guys correct and the people with dogs that can actually DO the work wrong? please enlighten me as to why my whippet built, flop eared, extra fine boned border collie cant herd? (and she can by the way, she was dropped on sheep after 5 years of city living and right off the bat was herding better then the expeirenced dogs) and please explain how conformation has imporoved the bearded collie, and wehn people see then bouncing and barking at sheep the response is "oh thats how they are supposed to herd" thats odd because actually beardies were originally more like a wire coated BC and worked like BCs, in fact the 2 breeds used to be freely interbred.