Say No To Silver Labs

[CagneyDog]

I have never heard of a Silver Lab coming from a breeding of two normal color Labs by reputable breeders

How many silver Lab breeders do you know well enough to judge the quality of their puppies?

Exactly, it's not proven. You shouldn't breed Silver Labs if you can't prove they aren't bred with Weimeraner. There is no proof at the moment. I for one do not like Weimeraners and do not want my Lab to have Weim in it.

Well this can go both ways. What I'm trying to get across is that people that are posting on this thread are biased to one opionin. It's not proven that there is Weim so WHY would you assume so? There is NO proof either way.

[.sarah]

How many silver Lab breeders do you know well enough to judge the quality of their puppies?

That is not what I said. What I am saying is that I do not know of Silver Labs coming from normal colored parents from reputable breeders. This excludes people who breed Silver exclusively and BYBs.

Well this can go both ways. What I'm trying to get across is that people that are posting on this thread are biased to one opionin. It's not proven that there is Weim so WHY would you assume so? There is NO proof either way.

Because they look like they have it in them. I don't think that they should be bred until there is proof that they are purebred Labs. And you just said it yourself, there is no proof either way. If you purchased a Silver Lab from a "reputable" breeder wouldn't you be pissed if proof later came out that they were cross bred with Weims? I would be.

[CagneyDog]

Sure don't look like Weims to me. If it was part Weim why would it's litter mates be chocolate labs?

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Sure don't look like Weims to me. If it was part Weim why would it's litter mates be chocolate labs?

ABSOLUTELY YES...there would still be chocolate littermates.

the pics you posted are the reason why this people bred weimaraners to labs. because they look alike so much. you need to have a trained eye to note the differences.

compare the two breeds...

this is what happens with two well reproduced breeds. you can tell the difference

but when you have two badly reproduced breeds...it's hard to say

now, let alone when they're puppies

this two breeds combined:

the so-called Silverlab!!!!!

[CagneyDog]

the pics you posted are the reason why this people bred weimaraners to labs. because they look alike so much. you need to have a trained eye to note the differences

Well could your trained eye please point the differances out to me.

How so? If it's bred with a Weim, wouldn't they all be silver.

[.sarah]

How so? If it's bred with a Weim, wouldn't they all be silver.

No, of course not.

[.sarah]

A quote from the website where you (CagneyDog) got the picture of mom and pups:

They started breeding labs after Marcie rescued their now stud dog Buddy from someone that had neglected him and tied him up on a short rope in a cement stall in a cow barn. He was 2 years old, untrained, not housebroke and on his way to the animal shelter when Marcie found him on this farm. To make a long story short, Buddy has come a long way and he and Marcie are practically inseparable.

They do not know this dog's lineage. He should have never be bred. So you can rule this breeder out as responsible.

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Well could your trained eye please point the differances out to me.

How so? If it's bred with a Weim, wouldn't they all be silver.

i just did in page 6.

it wouldn't all be silver...in fact, you could get even a black one.

[bckrazy]

This is so frickin OT, hehe, but I really really agree with you, Sarah! My friend has an amazing field-bred chocolate Lab named Tango, and I see incredible difference between her and just about every other Lab I see (which are either show-bred or BYB-bred). She's about half the size of my other friends championed show Lab (Im sorry - he looks unnaturally obese to me.) and her temperament is much, much different. Gonzo really despises 99% of the Labs he meets, because they are just so goofy and aloof, but he loves Tango, because she's just incredibly different and is actually very alert and less all over the place. I would personally never be able to handle a show or BYB-bred Lab, because I really value attentiveness and sensitivity in a dog (my BC spoils meh) but I'd love to have a Lab with Tango's personality. Several people I know have Labs who are sweet dogs, but just do not listen to a word their owners say. Tango actually has an Obedience title, too, which is not common with show-types as far as I've seen, and she qualified in every trial she's been in.

mehhhh, anyway... Cagney, I really don't see any "proof" in those pics. Honestly, it does not matter to me if they're purebreds or not. They aren't recognized. It's certaintly possible for a chocolate Lab bred to a Weim to produce "silver Labs" and "choco Labs". I think that if this "dilution" was actually that common in the breed, it WOULD at least be recognized by now. And, dilution of chocolate does not produce silver, it produces fawn or isabella, which is technically light chocolate. Dilution of black produces "blue". The AKC is not against accepting diluted colors, which is why fawn and blue Dobermans are accepted and shown. To me, the proof isn't there so I'm going to have to say it's not legit. Especially since all of the kennel links posted are to kennels that exclusively breed for silver coloring, which is a red flag.

[CagneyDog]

Mmmmk, I'm done with this thread.

[.sarah]

This is so frickin OT, hehe, but I really really agree with you, Sarah! My friend has an amazing field-bred chocolate Lab named Tango, and I see incredible difference between her and just about every other Lab I see (which are either show-bred or BYB-bred). She's about half the size of my other friends championed show Lab (Im sorry - he looks unnaturally obese to me.) and her temperament is much, much different. Gonzo really despises 99% of the Labs he meets, because they are just so goofy and aloof, but he loves Tango, because she's just incredibly different and is actually very alert and less all over the place. I would personally never be able to handle a show or BYB-bred Lab, because I really value attentiveness and sensitivity in a dog (my BC spoils meh) but I'd love to have a Lab with Tango's personality. Several people I know have Labs who are sweet dogs, but just do not listen to a word their owners say. Tango actually has an Obedience title, too, which is not common with show-types as far as I've seen, and she qualified in every trial she's been in.

My BYB Lab (Nova) has that temperment to a tee. Luka is pretty close, but is a little stubborn (though we are working on this). That is what a field Lab's temperment is supposed to be like. It's why I love them so much! I will get a well-bred Field Lab one day, but it will be when I live on my own and can run more trials with them. My dogs are field-bred as far as I know, judging by looks, drive (they loooove hunting), and temperment. But at the same time they don't really know what they're missing, and I can't fit frequent field trials into my life while in school, so they are fine for now

And I agree with what you just said, too!

[.sarah]

Sure don't look like Weims to me. If it was part Weim why would it's litter mates be chocolate labs?

They can still produce correct colors. Just because it is not the right color, does not mean it is not part Weim. This is apparent in a lot of mixed breed dogs. A Weim/Vizsla cross could produce both Silver and Red dogs.

Whether or not they look like Weims is not it. A lot of them do, some don't. My point is, we do not know if they are part Weim or not, so they should not be bred until we can rule that out. And where did you get those pictures? Does that person show their dogs? Health test? Where did the dogs come from? A reputable breeder, or a puppy mill? You can't just pull images off of google and say that they're purebreds because their mom looks like it. I know of a few dogs who look purebred when they are mixed breeds. The Weim in her could be far enough back that they still produce Silver but look more like Labs.