Say No To Silver Labs

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Jessika:

your dogs are beautiful!

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Oh I know the solid type, I thought it was the English type, Amercan is the taller more racy type I thought. I like the stocky type best but they do look like they could stand to lose a few pounds imo. I believe you are a good breeder, I was just curious about what you are into with breeding and showing. Like I said, anytime I come across a breeder I don't know I like to find out about them. Just my own curiosity and love of dogs.

about 10 years or so ago people used to think that american dogs were taller, with a sharper muzzle and a narrower head than the europeans, which were considered to be smaller, "roundier" and with shorter muzzle and wider head.
i still don't know why people used to think so. i do know that the taller ones (considered to be the american type) have a good retrieving instinct more frequently than the others. maybe that's why american's focused their breeding on temperament and retrieving skills more than on conformation and gave life to this thought.

now a days, american dogs are much heavier and stacked than the europeans, with better tails (which is considered by lots of breeders to be the most important part of the lab's conformation), coats and retrieving skills.

here are some links to famous european kennels

http://www.saunalahti.fi/mallorns/
http://www.joebattsarm.com/mardas/
http://www.labradorsofmistydreams.com/
http://members.lycos.co.uk/sandyland/
http://winnies.puh.org/

[.sarah]

Oh I know the solid type, I thought it was the English type, Amercan is the taller more racy type I thought. I like the stocky type best but they do look like they could stand to lose a few pounds imo. I believe you are a good breeder, I was just curious about what you are into with breeding and showing. Like I said, anytime I come across a breeder I don't know I like to find out about them. Just my own curiosity and love of dogs.

The taller, leaner ones are called field-bred Labs. A lot of people do have that misconception though. Here's a page about it if you're interested: English or American Labrador?

[Jessika]

Jessika:

your dogs are beautiful!

Awww thank you so much!!

[IRescue452]

hmm one of my breed encyclopedias has this as the difference between American and English, but I'll take the breeders advice on what to call each type. I do consider tails important when I look at labs. A dog with a curly sickle tail isn't a good lab to me. My neighbor's had a huge lab, maybe 30", a good type though with good features. He'd retrieve until he had to lay down exhausted.

[.sarah]

hmm one of my breed encyclopedias has this as the difference between American and English, but I'll take the breeders advice on what to call each type. I do consider tails important when I look at labs. A dog with a curly sickle tail isn't a good lab to me. My neighbor's had a huge lab, maybe 30", a good type though with good features. He'd retrieve until he had to lay down exhausted.

I used to call it American and English too until I was corrected by Nova's dog trainer, who breeds Show Labs. She said her's were American though I kept saying Nova was American and her Labs were English. So I decided to look it up and most of the breeders refer to it that way.

Even though Nova was from a BYB she still has a strong tail like a Lab should. It's longer than a Show Lab's would be, but it's still quite capable of knocking things off the table ... Luka's is too.

[Cataholic]

My sister's chocolate lab- European, is very different from the American ones I am used to. In my opinion, I like the look better than the American ones. Though, at heart, he is still a labbie- with a tail so strong he could start a tornado!

[dab_20]

i like the feild bred labs personally. my friend has three yellow field bred labs, i love them! although if i could get a lab i would get a chocolate. because black and yellow are pretty common. but whatever is waiting at the shelter for a family suits me just fine!

[cali]

as far as I am concerned restricting breeds to certain colours is wrong. period. colour has very little to do with what any breed was bred for, BCs colours are restricted to only a few and are not allowed to be mostly white, the conformation world came up with a bogus explaination for it, saying that mostky white BCs dont command the sheeps respect, which is a load of bull, some of the top herding lines in the world are mostly white. they also come in EVERY single colour and markings avaliable in dogs, no colour should be bred for or bred away from, because it has zippo to do with working ability.

I am on the working side of the fence for all breeds, anything that does not affect working ability is NOT nessassary, but if it inhibates working ability(like super long and fluffy coats, shorts muzzles and overly stocky builds) then it needs to be bred away from and avoided.

[sammy101]

as far as I am concerned restricting breeds to certain colours is wrong. period. colour has very little to do with what any breed was bred for, BCs colours are restricted to only a few and are not allowed to be mostly white, the conformation world came up with a bogus explaination for it, saying that mostky white BCs dont command the sheeps respect, which is a load of bull, some of the top herding lines in the world are mostly white. they also come in EVERY single colour and markings avaliable in dogs, no colour should be bred for or bred away from, because it has zippo to do with working ability.

i agree with you.

[.sarah]

as far as I am concerned restricting breeds to certain colours is wrong. period. colour has very little to do with what any breed was bred for, BCs colours are restricted to only a few and are not allowed to be mostly white, the conformation world came up with a bogus explaination for it, saying that mostky white BCs dont command the sheeps respect, which is a load of bull, some of the top herding lines in the world are mostly white. they also come in EVERY single colour and markings avaliable in dogs, no colour should be bred for or bred away from, because it has zippo to do with working ability.

I am on the working side of the fence for all breeds, anything that does not affect working ability is NOT nessassary, but if it inhibates working ability(like super long and fluffy coats, shorts muzzles and overly stocky builds) then it needs to be bred away from and avoided.

Did you read through this thread? These dogs are most likely bred with Weimeraner. If they are mixed breeds, do you still support it?

[.sarah]

i like the feild bred labs personally. my friend has three yellow field bred labs, i love them! although if i could get a lab i would get a chocolate. because black and yellow are pretty common. but whatever is waiting at the shelter for a family suits me just fine!

Wierd, around here I see mostly Chocolate Labs.

[cane_corso_mom]

I personally think people cross breed Weirmeraners with Chocolate Labs and it ends up being called a 'Silver Lab', I have no idea if this is true though

[cali]

I did read through the thread, and I personally dont belive that they are crossed with Weims, there is evidence supposrting both sides, its up to each individual what they choose to believe. some say silver is not geneticly possable..so? we dont know everything yet, I own a dog who's colours are not geneticly possable according to current knowledge, I also have a guinea pig whos colours are not geneticly possable by cirrent knowledge. just because something is not possable by current knowledge hardly means its not possable, because there is a LOT in this world that we dont understand.

[cane_corso_mom]

Hey guys, check this out...

AKC registered Silver Labs?????