Say No To Silver Labs

[cloverfdx]

I have already said no .

[lv4dogs]

Thanks for the information.
I ALWAYS say NO to any breed that has ANY part of his body/parentage/anything that idoes not meet the breed standard of that breed and not in any color that is not reccognized as a showable color.

There are way too many designer breeds, byb's, puppy mills, dogs in shelters etc...
EVERYONE needs to start focusing on what breeds we have as registered breeds (no fancy designer breed registries or the like either) and focus on improving them.

[IRescue452]

Think before you speak people. A lot of breeds come in perfectly sound colour combinations that simply aren't often liked by show breeders. Take for instance the cocker spaniel. There is no link between health problems and white pigmentation but the show breeders don't like them to have more the 85% white. A cocker can be a representative of the standard and have 87% white, but it won't be shown. Likewise, a labrador can come in dilute chocolate "silver" and still fit the standard, but breeders just don't like the colour. Currently its rebellious breeders who either breed for money or don't care about showing labradors that are breeding silvers. There is something wrong with the for-profit breeders, but there is Nothing wrong with the labrador that comes in this colour. Here's further reading...

The AKC Stand on Registration of Silver Labradors:

Response of Jack Norton of the AKC on 1/24/00 giving AKC official position on the issue of Silver Labs.

The registry of the American Kennel Club is based on parentage and not the coat color of a member of any breed.

In 1987 the AKC, in corporation with the Labrador Retriever Club of America, conducted an inquiry into the breeding of litters that contained members that were registered as silver. An AKC representative was sent to observe these dogs. The report and color photographs of these dogs were reviewed by AKC staff and representatives of the Labrador Retriever Club of America. Both Parties were satisfied that there was no reason to doubt that the dogs were purebred Labrador Retrievers, however they felt that the dogs were incorrectly registered as silver. Since the breed standard at the time described chocolate as ranging in shade form sedge to chocolate, it was felt that the dogs could more accurately be described as chocolate rather than silver. This remains the current policy of the American Kennel Club.

Jack Norton
Special Services Dept

* One last note, at one point in time, the yellow labrador was in the same position as silver. They had to push to get the yellow lab accepted.

[IRescue452]

Torner are you a breeder? I'd like to see some of your dogs if you are. I don't like to be a judge of any breeder if I can't see what they have to offer.

[Karen]

Hi, welcome to Pet Talk. Most people around here are against any breeding of dogs just for the sake of breeding , or for "pretty" without concern for health, and are more concerned with rescuing the millions of dogs, mixed and purebreds, that end up in shelters every day.

I will point out, in the case of Labradoodles, these dogs were originally bred for a purpose - to get the non-shedding coats of the poodle with the more suitable personality, and heavier, more stable build of the Lab for guide-dog work for people with dog allergies.

But no dogs should be bred for just "hey, look, I made a new trend!"

There are thousands of perfectly good, deserving-of-homes dogs that get put to sleep every year because of a lack of homes for them, and because of irresponsible people.

[lv4dogs]

Irescue, I understand where you are coming from & I would agree with you totally if this world wasn't so overpopulated with homeless animals.
Seeing as there a lot of homeless animals I personally don't agree with breeding for ANYTHING that is not of breed standard.

Sure you get the occasional one even when you do breed responsibly & correctly, I have no problem with that, but breedeing just for that color or the like, I don't agree with that.

[Suki Wingy]

Irescue, I understand where you are coming from & I would agree with you totally if this world wasn't so overpopulated with homeless animals.
Seeing as there a lot of homeless animals I personally don't agree with breeding for ANYTHING that is not of breed standard.

EXACTLY!! Same thing if a dal breeder gets a lemon dog in their liver breeding they alter it and sell it as a pet. In my mind that is the only way to deal with the not accepted colors

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Torner are you a breeder? I'd like to see some of your dogs if you are. I don't like to be a judge of any breeder if I can't see what they have to offer.

I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. BUT ALSO, I DON'T SEE WHY YOU SHOULD HAVE TO "JUDGE" ME AS A BREEDER...IT'S FINE I GUESS, IF THAT'LL MAKE YOU MORE INTERESTED ON THE BREED.

[.sarah]

Ugh, Silver Labs is one of my pet peeves, because people are less inclined to listen because they say that it's "just another color" -- and they don't always believe you when you explain why it's not. In most of the "Silver Labs" I have seen, they have looked more like Weims. They seem to have pointy noses and a more sleek build than any Lab should. I think in some ways this is worse than a "Doodle dog" because they are passing them off as purebreds, and people become so misinformed and then don't want to believe the truth.

IRescue, this is not a color that is genetically produced by Labs. They come in three colors (black, yellow, chocolate) and only three colors. Sometimes mis-marks crop up, like brindling, white marks, tan points, etc. but even then it's usually only a patch instead of an entire brindle dog or something of the like. I have seen a few Chocolate Labs with tan points, and even so it was *very* hard to see, you almost have to see the sun reflect off of it. My two girls are both examples of "unaccepted" pigment that is naturally produced. They are yellows with a chocolate dog's pigment -- instead of a black nose and black skin, it is chocolate/liver. Also, Luka has a chocolate patch on her front right leg, which is a mismark.

TORNER RETRIEVERS, welcome to Pet Talk! Your Labs are beautiful! Labs are one of my two favorite breeds (my other being the Great Dane) and I own two myself. They are both in my signature. Nova (light yellow) is 10 months old and Luka (dark yellow) is almost 2 years old. Nova is from a back yard breeder. I regret buying from them but don't regret my girl. She is the best thing that has happened to me, and she is just so smart and so well-mannered. She does have hip dysplasia, though, as well as allergies. We adopted Luka in November from the humane society. They are both from hunting lines so of course don't fit the breed standard. I also have a White German Shepherd/Pit Bull mix named Mandy, and she is 8 years old.

[Suki Wingy]

I like your dog! Nice Stock That is why I prefer show bred over field bred

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

TORNER RETRIEVERS, welcome to Pet Talk! Your Labs are beautiful! Labs are one of my two favorite breeds (my other being the Great Dane) and I own two myself. They are both in my signature. Nova (light yellow) is 10 months old and Luka (dark yellow) is almost 2 years old. Nova is from a back yard breeder. I regret buying from them but don't regret my girl. She is the best thing that has happened to me, and she is just so smart and so well-mannered. She does have hip dysplasia, though, as well as allergies. We adopted Luka in November from the humane society. They are both from hunting lines so of course don't fit the breed standard. I also have a White German Shepherd/Pit Bull mix named Mandy, and she is 8 years old.

THANKS FOR THE WELCOMING SARAH. I'M GLAD YOU LIKED MY DOGS. I ALSO HAVE A GIRL BOUGHT FROM A BACKYARD BREEDER. SHE IS THE FIRST LAB I PURCHASED AND SHE MADE ME FALL IN LOVE WITH THE BREED. NOW I LOVE SHOWING AND BREEDING BETTER DOGS.

BY THE WAY, YOUR GIRLS ARE LOVELY.

[IRescue452]

I think they can be purebred, as well as black and tan labs and other mismarks. As long as they are purebred and fit the standard I still won't understand not accepting them. And you won't understand me. I am into working dogs. Working dogs were once bred purely for type, concern for colour wasn't important. Colour alone doesn't affect the dog.
Actually I wanted to know information about your breeding operation. (put any breeder in front of me and the first thing I want to know is everything about them) Pictures of some dogs tells me nothing about a breeder. You could be the best breeder in the world or the worst for all I know from pictures. I wish you'd have posted some stacked photos of your dogs. They look good but a bit overweight for the type. The last photo looks like there is something wrong with the dog's back legs, but its probably the way it is standing.

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Actually I wanted to know information about your breeding operation. (put any breeder in front of me and the first thing I want to know is everything about them) Pictures of some dogs tells me nothing about a breeder. You could be the best breeder in the world or the worst for all I know from pictures. I wish you'd have posted some stacked photos of your dogs. They look good but a bit overweight for the type. The last photo looks like there is something wrong with the dog's back legs, but its probably the way it is standing.

I'm not trying to make you believe i'm the best breeder in the world, but that i'm good at what i do and know what i'm talking about because i love doing it and live for ti.

ACTUALLY THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OVERWEIGHT AND ROBUST/SOLID CONSTITUTION.

about the type..the american blood lines (show quality) are just like the ones shown in my pictures. here's a link to some of america's most famous and reputable breeders. take a look and see what i'm talking about.

www.dickendall.com
http://www.tabathalabs.com/pagestuds.htm
http://www.windfalllabs.com/boys.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~beulahland/tom.htm
http://www.belquest.com/coffee.html
http://www.minefalls.com/Windfalls%20Pipeline.htm

about the last photo, the hind legs look different because of the way the dog is standing. this dog is free of hip and elbow dysplasia "HD A" (which means Excelent), certified by the mexican kennel club. he is mex/am/intnl/latam/great mex ch/BISS

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Think before you speak people. A lot of breeds come in perfectly sound colour combinations that simply aren't often liked by show breeders. Take for instance the cocker spaniel. There is no link between health problems and white pigmentation but the show breeders don't like them to have more the 85% white. A cocker can be a representative of the standard and have 87% white, but it won't be shown. Likewise, a labrador can come in dilute chocolate "silver" and still fit the standard, but breeders just don't like the colour. Currently its rebellious breeders who either breed for money or don't care about showing labradors that are breeding silvers. There is something wrong with the for-profit breeders, but there is Nothing wrong with the labrador that comes in this colour. Here's further reading...

The AKC Stand on Registration of Silver Labradors:

Response of Jack Norton of the AKC on 1/24/00 giving AKC official position on the issue of Silver Labs.

The registry of the American Kennel Club is based on parentage and not the coat color of a member of any breed.

In 1987 the AKC, in corporation with the Labrador Retriever Club of America, conducted an inquiry into the breeding of litters that contained members that were registered as silver. An AKC representative was sent to observe these dogs. The report and color photographs of these dogs were reviewed by AKC staff and representatives of the Labrador Retriever Club of America. Both Parties were satisfied that there was no reason to doubt that the dogs were purebred Labrador Retrievers, however they felt that the dogs were incorrectly registered as silver. Since the breed standard at the time described chocolate as ranging in shade form sedge to chocolate, it was felt that the dogs could more accurately be described as chocolate rather than silver. This remains the current policy of the American Kennel Club.

Jack Norton
Special Services Dept

* One last note, at one point in time, the yellow labrador was in the same position as silver. They had to push to get the yellow lab accepted.

WHEN I REFERED TO HEALTH ISSUES, I WAS TALKING ABOUT HYP AND ELBOW DISPLASIA AND OCULAR PROBLEMS. WHEN WE MAKE INLINE BREEDINGS, (BROTHER TO SISTER, FATHER TO DAUGHTER) WE REINFORCE SOME HEALTH ISSUES THAT, IF THEY WERE NOT PRESENT IN THAT GENERATION, WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO APPEAR IN THE NEXT ONE.

ABOUT COLOR....NO ONE HAS EVER DOCUMENTED HAVING A SILVER LAB FROM PUREBRED LABRADORS. THERE HAS BEEN SOME RECORDS ON BLACK AND TANS, AND A FEW "CHOCO CHIPS" LABS (YELLOW BRED TO CHOCOLATE PRODUCES A WEIRD PIGMENTATION).
SOME PEOPLE CLAIM THAT YELLOW "SUDDENLY" APPEARED BETWEEN BLACKS, AND THEN CHOCOLATES CAME UP BETWEEN YELLOWS. THAT'S KINDA FUNNY, CONSIDERING THAT CHOCOLATES WERE DOCUMENTED TEN YEARS BEFORE THE YELLOWS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THE TESTS THAT THE AKC PEOPLE MADE TO THE PARENTS OF THE SO CALLED SILVER LABS, WE'RE NOT VERY RELIABLE SINCE THERE WE'RE NOT ANY DNA TESTINGS. EVEN NOW, DNA TESTING IS TOO SPECIFIC TO LET US KNOW IF THE PUPPY COMES FROM OTHER BREEDS MIXINGS. (LAB-WEIMARANER)

PLEASE....READ THE WHOLE PAGE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, LET YOUR EYES AND KNOWLEDGE BE THE JUDGES TO THIS SILVERLABS. SOME OF THEM WILL LOOK LIKE A LAB, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT DOES COME FROM A LAB BRED TO A WEIMARANER. MOST OF THEM LOOK MORE LIKE WEIMARANERS.

[CagneyDog]

NO ONE HAS EVER DOCUMENTED HAVING A SILVER LAB FROM PUREBRED LABRADORS

Actually, I believe there has been. As far as I know their diluted choclates.