Tookie??

[senorita02]

Well if more black people on his jury would of set him free, what does that say? that is ridiculous so since u are the same color you dismiss a murderer? I guess that is what racism is though, and you cant exactly tell wether someone is or not.

How does anyone get a fair trial then if people are just siding with the same race they are. white or black.
All i was saying was evidence is evidence, no matter what color u are, and i guess that is why OJ is free huh?

[Lobodeb]

All i was saying was evidence is evidence, no matter what color u are, and i guess that is why OJ is free huh?

I hear you. Believe me. It's sad to watch our deliberations and the silly reasons people use to discount hard facts. I didn't say it was right, but it happens.

As for OJ, yes, his lawyers chose a damned good jury. One of the consultants I work for worked with his lawyers.

[caseysmom]

In OJ's case his attorneys turned it into a race thing and used the black people on his jury like pawns. Other factors are counted in as well, like education level, etc.

I hope they someday execute David Westerfield, I don't know if anybody remembers his trial but he kidnapped, raped and killed a 7 year old girl. He is on death row in san quentin. Being white thankfully did not help him get out of his punishment.

[Lobodeb]

My mom had made a comment that Scott Peterson just got moved up, too.

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

I actually thought he should be allowed to live. Not set free, mind you, just allowed to live.

Why you ask? I think I'm starting to change my outlook on the death penalty. Do you realize that to belong to the European Union you cannot allow the death penalty? That means the majority of European countries do not allow the death penalty. A few countries that do....North Korea, Iran, the US. Now...if I remember right....weren't North Korea and Iran part of what was dubbed "the axis of evil"? Why or why would we partake in something that is so barbaric that the majority of the civilized world outlaws it and the part of the world we think is uncivilized does it?

I'm still confused on this whole issue because I've always been for the death penalty. It's hard not to justify killing someone who performs such heinous acts, but why do we think that just because they thought they had the right to take someone's life, that that gives us the right to take their lives?

I haven't really followed the details that much on this particular case, but it sounds like he did some pretty nasty things. However, now not only have we implemented the death penalty again, we have killed someone who was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize - twice, if media reports are correct. How does that look to the rest of the "civilized" world? And I know people like Bush believe we don't need the rest of the world, but I beg to differ with him on that point......

[caseysmom]

I have heard the nobel peace prize argument also, do you know that anybody can get nominated for the nobel peace prize? That is what I have read, I never knew that before this case.

I would be interested to see the countries for and against the death penalty...I bet crime is a lot lower in Iran than in France, they may have the right idea.

[JenBKR]

I'm still confused on this whole issue because I've always been for the death penalty. It's hard not to justify killing someone who performs such heinous acts, but why do we think that just because they thought they had the right to take someone's life, that that gives us the right to take their lives?

I agree with you on this...I really don't know where I stand as of now. In no way do I think he should've been set free, but I don't know as of now if I am really for or against the death penalty. I used to be for it, but I just don't know now..

[caseysmom]

Tubby and peanuts mom,
I just did some quick internet searches, your right in fact the U.S. is one of the only western countries to allow the death penalty, that is interesting and something I never knew.

[RICHARD]

Pretty much anyone can be nominated for a NPP.

You just have to have a degree or office to make the nomination.


Iran and N. Korea routinely enforce the DP for speaking out against the government-trial on friday, dead on monday. For speaking out.
Run drugs in the Far East? Death.
Cheat on your hubby in the Mid East? Death.

While not the worst crimes on the planet I think getting a little something on the side, running smoke or speaking out against a rotten government should get you a little break.

Speak out against the US government? People point and laugh.
Cheat on your spouse? people point and laugh then you pay alimony!
Get caught with drugs? People point and laugh and you go to jail!
Kill someone, like an animal? People point and demand justice.

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Some of those countries have governments rooted far deeper into religion or having some bobo run the country...

You won't get a break, the time or a chance to prove you are innocent.
We gave the Tookster 26 years to worm his way outta the way and he could not do it.

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The Tookster raped other inmates, tossed caustic chemicals at the guards and was a real pain until his conversion.....

keeping him in jail was a waste of money, letting him out was a chance that no one wanted to take.....


I would have liked some of those protestors to "adopt a Tookie".

You know, take him home for a weekend, let him hang out with your kids, and the Tookster can read his books to them???

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I would have liked some of those protestors to "adopt a Tookie".

You know, take him home for a weekend, let him hang out with your kids, and the Tookster can read his books to them???

Funny but that's just what I thought when the gal yelled at the state officials that they had killed an innocent man. Why didn't she volunteer to take care and responsibility of him?

[lizbud]

Why or why would we partake in something that is so barbaric that the majority of the civilized world outlaws it and the part of the world we think is uncivilized does it?

There are some who live amoung civilized people who do not
acknowledge our laws & by choice live as barbarians.They will take
your life on a bet.I believe those who are a threat to life & limb of
the majority of law abiding people should pay the price for their crimes.

[moosmom]

Office??? Did someone say Office?? Well, does this count??



Well You DID say "Office" didn't you?? Well, here's mine. Now nominate me, damn it!!

[KYS]

Tubby & Peanut's Mom: However, now not only have we implemented the death penalty again, we have killed someone who was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize - >>>>>>>>>>>

I believe Adolf Hitler was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Allecto]

Tookie Williams was CONVICTED of killing only 4 people. Anyone who believes he only killed 4 is, IMO, a bit naive.

And Tookie's supporters, like Tookie, were not trying to get him off the death penalty hook. They wanted a complete pardon, and for him to live his life as a free man. I would rather see him dead. That may be bloodthirsty, but too bad.


And while he went to his grave protesting his complete and utter innocence, at his trail (amid his growling, long minutes of boisterous laughter, and other hideous remarks) he loudly told victim's family members and the prosecutors things like "You should have heard the noise he made when I shot him!" (insert more hysterical laughter here). I'm sorry, but children's books do not make up for Tookie's crimes.

[G.P.girl]

i don think they should have killed him. even though he did kill 4 people and he obviously isnt accepting responsibility or showing any remorse for it. right now he is doing more good alive than he is dead. while his childrens books may seem useless and dumb to you, they have kept hundreds of kids off the streets and from joining gangs. and thats wht we need isnt it? i'm not saying he should be let out of jail or given a reduced sentence or any kind of lesser punishment, he should have been kept in jail. but what good is he doing us now? and this just goes to show kids that even if you do screw up and then start doing better...well, you're gonna die anyway.