Jail or War?

[IRescue452]

I'm sorry you feel that war is better. I am completely against killing people and if it came to having no choice, either kill some person or go to jail, I'll take jail. At least I'll be able to die with a clear conscious. What you gonna say when you get to heaven and God asks why you killed somebody? Are you gonna act like a 3-year-old and say "b-b-but Bush told me to!"? Yeah rot in hell killing for your country's selfish interests, I'll send you a card.

[Lady's Human]

Yes, I have to admit, those of us in the military are nothing more than a bunch of evil bastards. That's why most of the relief missions into Pakistan fly in on CH-47 Chinooks. That's why Iraq has more electricity and running water than it has had in 35 years. That's why most of the rescue work done after Katrina was done by the US Military of all branches, active, reserve, and national guard.That's why the third major force on the scene in the 9-11 attacks was a large force of US Army Blackhawk Helicopters positioned to help in search and recovery. We do nothing other than kill. We absolutely hate doing civil relief and aid missions in the US and the rest of the world.

[CagneyDog]

Jail.

Killing innocent people isn't my thing.

[IRescue452]

A relief effort isn't included in my definition of war.

[Cataholic]

I swore to myself I was bowing out of this, however:

Cataholic, you were the one who threw the insult. You assumed (remember the line about assuming?) that I was talking to ES as I was because she was a female. Wrong. In doing so, you insulted me personally. I do not hide behind my title. You probably don't even know what my title is, as I don't believe I have ever posted my rank on the board.

It had nothing to do with ES gender. I think that was your sister's assumption. I called your statement about someone not being able to understand something without experiencing it patronizing. That led to your personal attacks, not mine. If that is what rankles your feathers, please, keep away from the guns. Please.

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Yeah rot in hell killing for your country's selfish interests, I'll send you a card.

Hmmm....appears we can "assume" we know where you stand in regards to supporting our troops!

Disclaimer - I know I'm "assuming" and has already been pointed out in this thread, it's not good to assume anything about anybody or any statement....but gee whiz this statement is harsh!

[popcornbird]

Jail? No way. War...depends on the purpose/justification of war. Most likely, no. Today's wars, in my honest opinion, are nothing but injust killings and abuse with no justified purpose. I would never want to imagine being a part of that. No way. Never. Perhaps jail is better because it would only be myself suffering...not me causing the suffering of others. Can't choose either one.

[IRescue452]

well, when somebody can logically justify killing people in a war, I'll take back the harsh statement. And btw, you need to prove self-defense too if you are going to use it as a justification, you need to prove that if you don't kill them they will kill you, otherwise its not self-defense.

[RICHARD]

Richard,
My comments to LH had nothing to do with soldiers and war, and supporting or not supporting it. I have great admiration for our soldiers. I do not have any respect for people that talk down to others, and then hide behind some title- be it soldier, doctor, lawyer, whatever. One can get their point across, as distasteful as some might find it, without insult.

As for lawyer jokes? Bring them on. I don't wear my occupation as a badge of anything other than that which brings in income, supports my family, and holds my interest most of the time.

Sorry I touched a nerve.

I ain't a dentist or a neurologist.

I'll toss out some one liners for lawyers.

Allred, Meserau, Geragos and Grace.


It's income, money and interest-that about clients????

Geez,

Let's elevate the E.B. soldiers up a little they stick around to clean the mess up.
Lets do a sports analogy....

Game on the line and the ref, ump or official blows a call....

They don't care as long as they get paid.

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Having been shot at once, there is nothing more frightening on the planet.
If it had not been a hunting accident I can assure you that I would have had no second (or first) thought about taking every opportunity to return every shot.
I am going down fighting.

There is something inherently different about trading shots with someone across the way..

Our soldiers are dying because some CS MF SOB Bs are taking bombs and putting them beside a road where soldiers and innocent people are.

Please do not put logic into a statement about killing people...

The United States Government and the "evil b's" that LH referred to are the ones to blame...

So it is O.K. to drive a car with a ton of explosives into a market place where people are trying to live.


Yep, blame the guys in uniforms......

They play by the "rules"..... and when we turn the dogs of war loose we still are a bunch of war mongering, blood thirsty hawks...

The Conservatives laugh when the idea that our soldiers are fighting to keep
'terrorism" from our shores.

Wait until the next terror attack here in the US....You'll pray that those "evil bastards" are vigilant and ready to get that pound of flesh in return.

There are times you have to visit a punk in his neighborhood and let him know that he cannot go into your yard, take a crap on you front porch and stand across the street and laugh about it.

[Lady's Human]

Irescue, Cat, et al....

The only reason you are free to make those statements is the soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen who have defended this country from day one. On behalf of a bunch of evil, hate filled killing bastards, You're welcome.

[K9soul]

I really can't answer the poll, because it would depend too much on all the circumstances involved. If I ever did go to war, they'd most likely have to find something else for me to do other than putting a gun in my hand. I may not have the right of it, but I believe there are all kinds of different capacities to serve other than going out and shooting at people.

Anyway, on a side note, I personally feel it is presumptive of anyone to judge another person as evil and deserving of damnation. I feel that is only for God to do.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sorry...I've been gone a few days....we are in Iraq to protect my freedom of speech. Wow....I didn't know my freedom of speech was at risk in Iraq. And I suppose Viet Nam was about my freedom of speech too. That or the ability to get really cheap manicures.

I don't blame the soldiers...I blame the chicken-livered politicans who send them there.

Our soldiers are dying because some politicans LIED to justify a war they had been planning before 9/11 (which did not involve Iraq.)

Iraq was not the punk who "took a crap" in your yard RICHARD. Don't you listen to your president? We are in Iraq because Saddam was a bad guy and we needed to free the Iraqi people from him. No WMD....no connection to Al Queda.

And we are going to teach the Iraqis about freedom of speech....right after we teach them about freedom of the press....right after we bribe them to run positive (but untrue!) stories in the newspaper.

I am put in mind of a slogan from my youth....What if they gave a war and nobody came?

So send the troops to clean up after Katrina and get power and water going there.

[Edwina's Secretary]

p.s. yes...I thought the "you can't understand it unless you are in it" comment to be very patronizing. But let's go with it. That is why men are NOT allowed an opinion on abortion. They don't get pregnant so they can't understand.

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Sorry...I've been gone a few days....we are in Iraq to protect my freedom of speech. Wow....I didn't know my freedom of speech was at risk in Iraq. And I suppose Viet Nam was about my freedom of speech too. That or the ability to get really cheap manicures..

Sara, you know we're usually on the same side of things politically, and I still agree with you, but just as a clarification....

Terry really believed he was going to Vietnam to "fight the commies" (his words), who, if they won in Vietnam would be coming for the US next, so therefore, yes, in his mind, he was defending your freedom of speech. He was defending America and it's way of life and everything it stood for.

However, he will be the first one to agree that you have every right to your opinion and your right to voice that opinion. He does have a problem with people who burn the flag, but other than that, protest away!

Now, about men not having input on abortion because they don't understand it - I like the way you think!

[Lady's Human]

ES, No problem. If we are going to go down that road, however..........

Only people with military service allowed to vote on war resolutions

only people who ACTUALLY pay taxes allowed to vote on the budgets, right down to local level