new puppy- help

[IRescue452]

BCKrazy, why must the dog be AKC registered. The AKC registers puppy mills. My cocker is registered and we picked her up at the puppy mill where she was bred. I'd never look for a quality dog just by the fact that they are akc registered. In fact, I'd like to find breeders that don't bother handing out registrations left and right as their puppies go to god knows who. Then the new owners are less likely to breed their pets because the breeder didn't give them a registration. As for cockers, having a 14 years old puppy mill cocker and seeing many many other cockers from both breeders and mills, I'd never buy one from a reputable breeder. I'm not saying I'd flat out support bybs but I'd find one in a shelter or rescue that I knew came from a puppy mill or byb. For cockers, the conformation breeders seem to produce the poor quality dogs in health and temperment, they need to get their heads screwed on right and stop breeding for conformation because they are the ones ruining the breed.

[bckrazy]

BCKrazy, why must the dog be AKC registered. The AKC registers puppy mills. My cocker is registered and we picked her up at the puppy mill where she was bred. I'd never look for a quality dog just by the fact that they are akc registered. In fact, I'd like to find breeders that don't bother handing out registrations left and right as their puppies go to god knows who. Then the new owners are less likely to breed their pets because the breeder didn't give them a registration. As for cockers, having a 14 years old puppy mill cocker and seeing many many other cockers from both breeders and mills, I'd never buy one from a reputable breeder. I'm not saying I'd flat out support bybs but I'd find one in a shelter or rescue that I knew came from a puppy mill or byb. For cockers, the conformation breeders seem to produce the poor quality dogs in health and temperment, they need to get their heads screwed on right and stop breeding for conformation because they are the ones ruining the breed.

Are you SERIOUS? Honestly, are you?.... Wow, thats awesome advice. Just awesome. Conformation people are RUINING the Cocker Spaniel breed, and Backyard Breeders are striving to improve it. It's the BYB's that are running health and temperament tests on all of their breeding dogs and attaining CGC's before breeding. BYB's also work their azzes off socializing and training dogs so that they can be handled with ease by judges. You are sooo right!!!

I'm not saying don't rescue. Did you notice in my post that I asked her to PLEASE rescue OR find a good breeder?! Buying from a reputable breeder is as good as rescuing, in the sense that buying from a good breeder is not contributing to the overpopulation ~ good breeders have a contract with the new owner stating they get the dog back if the owner wants to abandon it, they also have contracts requiring the spaying/neutering of pet quality puppies and are given a limited registration. As far as I'm concerned, any legitimate registry is absolutely fine, as long as the dog has documentation that it is a purebred dog... I can't even count the number of people I've met who bought "purebred" Yorkie or Poodle puppies from BYB's and later found out that their dog was far from purebred. Anyway, it's kind of hypocritical that your SN is "irescue" and you encourage everyone to go out and buy the first BYB puppy ad they see in the paper! No rescue person that I know would dream of saying that, except with complete sarcasm.

[Suki Wingy]

You are always awsome at formulating your ideas! Reputable, responsible conformation breeders are contributing in no way the the over pobulation problem. You can and should neuter dogs at 9 weeks or so and I am pretty sure it is only like $50.

[dab_20]

it doesnt matter how old they are it is still the same price. and my vet refuses to spay or nueter a dog at nine weeks. it is NOT neccessary. my vet and most other vets say around five months is best. and i agree too.

but anyways ppl. stop trying to prove ppl wrong! no matter how much you try and convince them, they are STILL going to believe what they think is right. and i believe its just fine to buy a puppy in a news paper ad. as long as when you go see the puppy, it is as healthy as can be. there is nothing wrong with that. puppy mills are another story. also, if no one got puppies from newspapers, wouldent that mean those puppies will end up in humane societies????

and suki wingy, i love your siggies!

[Jessika]

You are always awsome at formulating your ideas! Reputable, responsible conformation breeders are contributing in no way the the over pobulation problem. You can and should neuter dogs at 9 weeks or so and I am pretty sure it is only like $50.

*scoffs* $50?? right. I forked over more than $200 to get Charlie fixed, and that was AFTER they knocked off $100 AND it was the cheapest place around (in my area) to have it done. Granted, both testicles were retained, but still, $50 - $200 is quiiiite the difference. If you know of any places that DO perform this operation that cheap, let me know. Because that's amaaazing and I would really be interested

[k9krazee]

We got Micki and my RB cat Lucky fixed for free...our humane society does an annual spay/neuter program, granted, we had to drive all the way to the humane society in a snowstorm but it was worth it. For normal neutering they charge $50-$75 and to spay a female its generally a little more expensive. We haven't gotten Kyra spayed yet, our vet told us that he wouldn't do it, he wants us to take her to MSU because she is supposedly at "high risk" because of her cleft palate. We called them and they will charge us over $200 to spay a 8 pound dog! But yeah, there are some places that do low cost spay/neuters.

[bckrazy]

Gonzo was neutered for $75. Not at a spay/neuter clinic, at our very nice, huge, high-tech Vet's. They also boarded him for over a day, lasered him, and cared for him very well. I've never met any vets that charge $200 to neuter a dog, much less spay them. A couple years ago, my sister fostered an Aussie mix female and when she took her in to get spayed, they discovered that she was in the early stages of a pregnancy. Even having to abort puppies AND spay her, she payed $100, again to a very nice Vet and not at a speuter clinic.

There are at least a dozen spay/neuter clinics monthly in my area, and they charge $20 for male dogs and $30 for female dogs, or less. You cannot beat that! This is also California, where nothing tends to be very cheap. I think people just need to search more, and find a good Vet that isn't completely in the business for money... I've met a few of those, who WILL charge 2 or 3x the amount of a reputable Vet.

$200 IS a fairly good amount of money, but to be honest, we ALL spend that on an average shopping spree, for clothes that we'll keep for a year at best. Neutering/spaying your dog for the same amount as a few clothing items saves lives, including your dogs life.

[Flatcoatluver]

$200 IS a fairly good amount of money, but to be honest, we ALL spend that on an average shopping spree, for clothes that we'll keep for a year at best. Neutering/spaying your dog for the same amount as a few clothing items saves lives, including your dogs life.

very nice exaple, Zoey and t.j were both 60 and that wasn't even a clinic!