oops, sorry, I should have said before CANTER is The Communications Alliance Network For Thoroughbred Ex Racehorses, and is for thoroughbreds. I meant myself, because that is the breed I would like to breed (dilutes) I could get a Palomino colt through one of those searches for as low as $5000, and a mare for as low as $1000 at the moment and breed them and hope for a Cremello (25% chance) stud who would stand for at least $1000 depending on quality because the breeding is a guarenteed Palomino (if bred to chestnut) with a chance of cremello if you breed to a palomino. The breeders are charging around $15,000 for palomino colts and fillies and $20,000 for buckskins, and that is solid!!! That is the whole reasoning behind me saying to look at classified ads first before going to breeders. Sorry if I got carried away and hijacked your thread, I just love this color genetics stuff so much!