Thanks. Yes, puppies sure are alot of work...hard hard work! Anyway, I tried putting her crate in the pen today. It fits ok, with still room to play in the pen. I left the pen closed, with the crate in it...the door to the crate open.

Guess what? She didn't whine.

But if there is a reason that I shuold not have crate in the pen, please let me know.