I don't think anyone here has said that all groomers are bad. It is just very hard to find a good groomer for our babies. Even sometimes when they seem nice, they turn out to be horrible. It is a scary situation. Surely you can understand that! For as many good groomers out there, there seems to be twice as many bad ones. I could take offense to those of you who said the owners suck, but I don't because I know you're not talking about *all* owners. Of course there are sucky owners and good owners, just as there are sucky groomers and good groomers. This thread is good for people to read though who might be naive to the fact that there are bad groomers.