Terri Schiavo - so sad :(

[Luvin Labs]

Originally posted by sirrahbed
There is NO WAY anyone will know the truth of what Terri wanted. What I feel sure about is that she would NOT want her picture broadcast on all the television networks for the world to see. This woman has been used as a pawn in a game of anger, politics, blame, family disaggreement and even religion .
I don't like what I hear about the husband either. But those facts are not proven or disproven. I wonder if he will now have a slander suit due to all that has been said about him in this "eleventh hour". But, what I hear is all pretty creepy. Still, the name calling surrounding Terri and all of the division has been beyond hateful. It has made people take sides.
Why did he not divorce her? Perhaps he was committed to seeing her wishes honored??
On the other hand, if there was so much "evidence" that he was a wife abuser, hated her and wanted her dead - why did the family not fight like this to gain custody of her?
I suppose the only good to come from this mess is the increase in Living Wills.

I believe in some of my internet readings on this case that there was a court case about the allegations of abuse and they were thrown out for insufficient evidence (I think I have that link posted somewhere in this subject that shows all the legal cases/documents where that happened). Same with the nurses statements of him being an ass to them about her life.

It is hard to see some unbiased facts in this case, and I agree with you that the only good will be the increase in living wills. I've talked to others about this who have talked to their parents and their parents have said "i would rather you be a vegetable instead of six feet undergroun" when their child wished to NOT be like that.

[catland]

Yesterday, in a CNN article on the web, they had a timeline of the case. They showed a picture of Terri before the heart attack. She was an attractive young woman, full of life. I wish they'd use this picture more than the one of the still, emotionless shell that she is now.

Go in peace Terri - you've suffered long enough.

[christa]

Question.

If Terri is PVS . . . why have they given her a morphine drip? Evidently she hasn't had one for the past week . . . you claim she can't feel anything . . . why morphine and why now?

(btw, this is a serious question, i'm not coming down on anyone in particular - i really want to know)

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Originally posted by christa
Question.

If Terri is PVS . . . why have they given her a morphine drip? Evidently she hasn't had one for the past week . . . you claim she can't feel anything . . . why morphine and why now?

(btw, this is a serious question, i'm not coming down on anyone in particular - i really want to know)

I have no answer for you. Seems to me, since they claim this is a painless way to die and she feels no pain, she wouldn't need one, eh?

There are more questions than answers in this case. For example:
Why is her husband insisting on creamation the second she dies? Possibly to keep her family from getting an autopsy and showing just how brain damaged (or lack of it) she was?

Since her husband now has a common law wife, why isn't he charged with being a bigamist? That right there shows a conflict of interest.

Why can the govenor pardon criminals on death row, but not help her?

Just too many questions for my peace of mind.

[Luvin Labs]

MOFF,

1. common law marriages were axed out wayyyyy back in the 60's, only CLM before 1968 are legal marriages, and only in certain states (and FL isn't one of them).

2. do we KNOW they aren't giving her drugs for the 'pain' she may or may not feel?

Edit: Just saw on FOX NEWS that they are giving her morphine drips. 10pm news.

3. have you seen her brain scan??? her brain is almost gone!!! Her brain is mush, she is left with just the automatic functions and reflexes. Her brain cannot be 'healed'. "Schiavo's cerebral cortex has been completely destroyed (and has been replaced by cerebrospinal fluid), and there is also damage to the lower brain and brain stem, which controls functions such as breathing and swallowing."

[Luvin Labs]

What I Have Learned from the Schiavo Case

1) Jeb Bush and George W. Bush are all world renowned neurologists.

2) 22 successive court battles that all ended in exactly the same way means there is something wrong with the courts, not the Schindler's case.

3) Mike is after money which is why he turned down 1 million dollars and 10 million dollars to sign over guardianship.

4) Congress and the State Legislature of Florida has nothing better to do than pry into the private medical affairs of others.

5) Pulling life support is bad in Florida when authorized by the legal next-of-kin, but pulling life support is good in Texas when you run out of money and the mother pleads not to pull the plug on her baby.

6) Medical diagnoses are best performed by watching highly editted videotape made by Randall Terry rather than in person by trained physicians.

7) Minimum wage making nursing assistants are more qualified to diagnose a persistant vegetative state than experienced neurologists.

8) Cerebral spinal fluid is a magical potion that can mimic the entire functions of a missing cerebral cortex.

9) 15 years in the same persistant state is not really enough time to make an accurate diagnosis.

10) A feeding tube that infuses yellow nutritional goop is not really "life support".

11) Marriage is the most sacred of all unions, except when it isn't.

12) Interfering in a family's private tragedy is a great reason to cut short a vacation, but getting a memo that warns a known terrorist is determine to strike inside the US is cause to relax and finish up some R&R.

13) Pro-lifers are really compassionate people which is why they are hoping that Michael Schiavo dies a horrible painful death.

14) The Supreme Court of the United States and the State Supreme Court of Florida mean "Maybe" when they are saying "No!".

[Pam]

The issue now I believe is going beyond Terri's right to die. How about her right to be laid to rest as she would like!

From what I understand now, Michael Schiavo will not allow her to have a proper funeral when the time comes. The family are devout Roman Catholics and said their daughter was as well and is entitled to a complete Catholic funeral, with casket, viewing, mass, burial, etc. The husband wants to cremate Terri and bury her in HIS family's plot.

I have heard much over the last few days that there is suspicion that he might have been involved in the heart attack which caused all of time. Some say she was possibly strangled. Should she be allowed an autopsy this might come to light. Hence, Michael's dilemma. Why else the rush to cremate?

If Michael wants to be viewed as something other than a monster he should step up to the plate and allow Terri to pass into her parent's hands after death. Why should he care at that point? The hullaballo over her "right to die" will be over.

I can't help but think he might be doing better than Scott Peterson did in possibly getting away with the perfect murder. No one will ever know, but I do believe if he wants to put an end to the murmuring about his possible part in all of this he should allow an autopsy. I certainly would want to clear my name if it was me.

[GraciesMommy]

I agree, Pam...his behavior in all this is just too weird...why is he so hell bent in going against the parents wishes..my gosh, give the poor people something!

[Samantha Puppy]

Where did you hear about the conflict over what to do after Terri passes? Do you have a URL or is this just hearsay?

[KYS]

It makes me sad/sick this whole thing.
I hate that Terry has to starve
to death in order for her to die as she had wished.
I hope that laws will change so that humans
can die with dignity.

I pray/believe the family/her husband have
always had Terry's best interest at heart.
From what I hear on cable news a lot of rumors are
being said about her husband.
A news repoter who had done a story on Terry a
few years back had observed Terry and
interviewed the staff that cared for her.
The staff was not very found of Terry's husband.
Not because of his lack of concern for his wife,
but because he was extremely demanding on
them to make sure Terry
was well taken care off.
Does this sound like a man
who did not care about his wife?
It has been 15 years now. We are on the outside looking
in. People believe and change the truth out of
desperation.
My heart goes out for Terry,
Terry's husband and her family.
G-d be with them.

[Logan]

Originally posted by Samantha Puppy
Where did you hear about the conflict over what to do after Terri passes? Do you have a URL or is this just hearsay?

I heard this several times on the news this morning (on the radio). One of the reporters said that this has already been fought out in the courts, too, believe it or not. Sorry I don't have a link, but if I see one, I'll come back and add it.

[IRescue452]

If her parents claim she could talk, why didn't they try spoon feeding her? Its not illegal to teach her to swallow. She obviously could swallow before this incident. I just don't understand this. They are deeply religious so why are they trying to keep her from heaven? And for about 17 years they had her in the hospital while her brain turned to mush, I would want my parents and husband to spend all that money on people who would survive or donate to help people in need. I think her parents are truely greedy and ungrateful and should rot in hell. I'm sorry but thats my opnion. I believe that we should have euthanasia for people. Its as bad as people who have hospice care for their pets and keep them alive, suffering, until they rot to death, just so they can selfishly have a few more weeks.

[Edwina's Secretary]

There is nothing about a Catholic burial that includes viewing or open casket. These parents have one of the best pr teams going. They are the ones who have suggested he may have had something to do with her death. Odd they should bring that up now instead of when he was doing fund raisers in order to take her to California to try an experimental treatment for Terri. When he went to nursing school in order to give her better treatment.

At the time her parents accepted him seeing other women....now he is an adulterer. Why an autopsy?? The purpose of an autopsy is to determine cause of death. Why would they want their daughter's body poked and prodded more????

And really....if someone had fought you publically and viciously... including branding you a murderer and adulterer, cost you all your savings in legal fees, and engaged in actions that result in death threats against you and your children....for 12 years (they were in agreement the first three years until the father demanded money)....would you say....here is my wife's body...please make one more public spectacle of her!

[Luvin Labs]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
And really....if someone had fought you publically and viciously... including branding you a murderer and adulterer, cost you all your savings in legal fees, and engaged in actions that result in death threats against you and your children....for 12 years (they were in agreement the first three years until the father demanded money)....would you say....here is my wife's body...please make one more public spectacle of her!

exactly. Schiavo is her last name, he's fought for her rights for over seven years, her parents have flung his name through the mud so many times. If I were him I'd have one hell of an excellent case for slander and libel against the parents and anyone else who doesn't read all the legal documentation and rulings in this case and just blindly believes the parents.

[catland]

I've become as morbidly facinated with this story as so many others - and maybe that's part of the problem.

The fact that the husband and the parents have different opinions on cremation/burial is really none of our business. Yet I'm as guilty as the rest in clinging to the latest of this sad story.

It also shows how much a rumor mill can spin out of control. We've gone from a woman who had a heart attack to Scott Peterson? This sounds like some sort of crazed mob mentatily and we should all be ashamed of ourselves.


Also, think about it, right now there are families all over this world who are having to make the hard decision on whether or not to "pull the plug". How awful it must be for them to hear the words "murderer" when they are going through the most gut-wrenching, heart-breaking moments of their lives.