Thanks David. I know you don't "do" sugar but how about some fresh smooshed up berries to slather around on the biscuits? Or just to nibble on? Later on I may ask Oggy/Trev if I can use any of that leftover roast for something. Don't know what yet but I'm feeling creative. WATCH OUT WHEN LAURIE GETS IN THAT MOOD! You mud wrestlers had best wash up before walking around in here today.. sheesh, just when you think it's safe to get back in the water