dxiland I dont consider AKC version of the breed to be a border collie, as real BC are only bred for work, as in ANY breed that can work to the level of a BC by ABCA or ISDS standerd IS a border collie. and I have no intention of getting into this argument, just to clear up that I know perfectly well that BCs are recignized, but I dont consider them the same breed by any means, so when I refere to a border collie I am refering ONLY to working bred BCs.