Silly me. I'm tring to view them on my laptop and I can't figure out why I can't get PT. Then I remembered I unhooked the router and went direct to the desktop to try and trouble shoot a problem. So I'll look again at them later. But... it looks like my router is the whole problem I have been having. Back to Costco it goes, it's only 3 weeks old. The last one lasted 2 1/2 years.