Jessica, I didn't feel attacked by you and I wasn't offended by what you said so don't worry. I should have clarified my usage of 'cruel'. But sometimes I get carried away with typing, and although I reread my posts before submitting, I don't always catch what will be offensive.

The ONLY thing I am hurt and offended by in this thread is after repeatedly explaining myself and saying I was NOT calling anyone here cruel or uneducated, I was still being lashed out at and accused. Its like I was being called a liar. Since it was just one person saying that though, I'm willing to drop it.

My whole point in this thread is that while prong collars do work, there are much better methods to use.

Micki - I am SO picky about where my foster dogs go, so you'd never have Cinny if I didn't think you were a WONDERFUL doggy mom. I've seen first hand the luxurious life your dogs lead sorry about the digging, hope she's not causing TOO much trouble