Jessica,

I know you said you were not directing that to anyone, but since I'm one of the only ones with those opinions, I can only assume

I told her SEVERAL times I was not calling her uneducated. She latched on to that word and wouldn't let go or listen to me. I can't really do anything about that.

I may have used the word cruel in my post because it was in my head from the title of this thread. I told Naomi on MSN that cruel was probably too strong of a word. I do think that a lot of people who use it do make it cruel though. I do not think anyone here is cruel, but that doesn't mean I agree with those training methods at all.

I will back down from almost any disagreement, unless it is something that I feel so passionately about. This is obviously one of those things. I made it as clear as possible that I was not doubting anyone here or accusing them of being bad trainers. I also made it clear I wasn't calling anyone uneducated. So I still feel justified in my wording.

(Sorry Micki, I'm trying )