We have used a prong collar, successfully, with our Honey (Golden Retriever). Sometimes, the "choke" type chain doesn't work as well with the long haired dogs, I think. I know that some peopel are very much against them, but our girl learned to walk beautifully on the leash and she never seemed to have pain or suffering associated with this type of collar. Once we had her under control on her walks, we never used it again.

All of the "hoopla" is associated with proper use. It could be used inappropriately, but we learned how to properly use it and had a much better girl on our hands, one that we could control more easily and was safe from the lunging and other things associated with the pulling that leashes and collars bring.

Logan