Labdoodle

[Giselle]

I'm very much against breeding these Poodle mixes. In about two months, I've seen at least five Poodle mixes come in through our shelter. Ironically, I am in support of Silken Windhounds. Why, you ask? Because they're being bred responsibly. Their breeders OFA and CERF test their dogs. Silken breeders are all very close knit and keep track of one another. The breed is very exclusive and the best part is that the breed founder has closed the studbooks and is attempting to gain AKC recognition.

My question is why won't Labrador Poodle mix breeders do this? I've been to quite a few Poodle mix breeder's websites and they all tout the "hybrid vigor" junk. In fact, they DON'T want to be recognized because then the Labrador Poodle mix is no longer a mix, thus no longer retaining "hybrid vigor". That and the fact that many Lab Poodle mix breeders are people off the streets who found that breeding Fido and FiFi can make a profit is what ticks me off. They don't test and their own purebred dogs aren't even well bred to begin with. No reputable breeder of any purebred dog would knowingly sell a dog to a person intending to breed the dog to another breed. It violates all the code of ethics I'm familiar with (parent clubs), and the breeder would certainly go through a heckuva lecture from its peers. I also just learned that the organization that originally started the Labrador Poodle mix thing stopped breeding because it "wouldn't work". Don't have much knowledge to base that on, but I'm glad nonetheless.

[chelsea]

Surprise, surprise, Labradoodles are already ending up in animal shelters.


http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3542487


http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3936234



http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3894245



http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3931406



http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3895435



http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3815368


Yeah, let's keep breeding more animals.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by MaryJae

The only PUREbred dogs are the ones recognized with the AKC/CKC.

So my catahoula won't be a purebred? I can register him with UKC, NALC, ARF, SKC, OREBA, APRI, The Canadian Rare Breed Club, etc, but because I can't register him with AKC or CKC, he won't be purebred?

AKC and CKC are not the only kennel clubs out there. There are thousands of kennel clubs. CKC and AKC represent a very minimal amount of breeds out there. And personally, I don't like either of the registries.

About the mini aussie question, they are actually called North American miniature Australian shepherds. Aka North American shepherd or miniature Australian shepherd. They were made by breeding small (runt) Aussies together to produce smaller pups. Once in a while a large one will still pop up because they are still fairly recent (1960's). They are exactly like an Aussie in miniature.

I think it is stupid that Labradoodles are now accepted with CKC (continental). I don't believe in breeding seperate breeds, and I certainly don't believe in calling their puppies purebred.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by MaryJae
I think it would be the same, but most dogs from shelters and rescues ARE healthy. Dogs from petstores and backyard breeds are prone to have MORE health problems and behavior issues.

Dogs in shelters ARE from backyard breeders and petshops...

[GraciesMommy]

Gracie is a BYB baby....got her from a petstore...she is a mix...and she is perfectly healthy...well trained....very smart...and very much loved...as I said lmonths ago......I bought her at a pet store...on consignment...for $500...WAY before I knew a single thing about BYBers...before her, I had a schnauzer for 16 years that was also from a BYB...well behaved, smart as a whip, very healthy...lived to be 16 years old... I hate the fact that there are people who make a living selling animals...and I contributed to this myself..because of not being well informed....BUT I would not want to miss one single day of all those 16 years with Mercedes and I sure wouldn't want to NOT have Gracie now..I would pay those big bucks all over again to have her.
and that is all I have to say about it~

[Bonny]

The person I got my Australian Shepherd from was a back yard breeder. She was crossing two blue merles. That is a no no. There is a resessive gene. I bought my dog from her. He was a blue merle mostly white. He had a dudley nose ( mostly all pink with some black on it. I took him to the Veterinary had him checked over. His right eye was smaller then his left & we found a claw growing in the pad of his hind foot. We got him home he was 10 weeks old & discovered he could not see out the the smaller right eye. I did some research & went back & told the back yard breeder about the resessive gene & the dog I purchased from her. I told her not to breed her two dogs again, did she listen, hell no. I don't know if she didn't care or was plain dumb?

[Pit Chick]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
I think it is stupid that Labradoodles are now accepted with CKC (continental).

They'll recognize anything, they are such a big joke.

I don't know if she didn't care or was plain dumb?

Both.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Bonny
There is a resessive gene.

I'm confused about the recessive gene part...merle is not recessive, it is dominant. And Microphthalmia can only show up in homozygous merle Australian shepherds, meaning that in the Aussie breed it is probably not recessive, but the result of a double merle breeding.

[Bonny]

the homozygous state MM produces excessive dilution resulting in nearly completely white individuals often accompanied by eye & ear defects probably as the result of pleitropic effects of the gene. Merele & merle crosses result in one-fourth of the offspring being homozyous mereles & they recmmend these individuals be euthanatized at birth. So to avoid that, breeding the merele female to a tri or bi colored male would be the thing to do.

[tomkatzid]

One of the most beautiful black dogs we have seen was a lab cocker cross. Looked like a lab, tall and black, but with cocker face and hair.
There is a brownish labD that is a seeing eye dog in our neighborhood.
Katz

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by Bonny
the homozygous state MM produces excessive dilution resulting in nearly completely white individuals often accompanied by eye & ear defects probably as the result of pleitropic effects of the gene. Merele & merle crosses result in one-fourth of the offspring being homozyous mereles & they recmmend these individuals be euthanatized at birth. So to avoid that, breeding the merele female to a tri or bi colored male would be the thing to do.

Yes, I know this, but you said something about a recessive gene. I didn't understand that, because double merle is a homozygous trait and Microphthalmia is not recessive. So what is the recessive gene you were talking about?

[Bonny]

Good question? Got Me ???????? All I know is you shouldn't be breeding two merle's. Call it dominant then & also call it wrong to breed two merle's.

[vinjashira]

you are quite right I think, here is something I quote from www.sheltie.nl

When we mate two merles with each other we have a 25% chance to get a double merle (“MM”). The coat color will be diluted twice. Quite often these dogs are almost white, but also could be defective in sight and/or hearing. So it's not recommended to mate merle to merle.

[wolfsoul]

There are some breeds you can breed two merles in, such as the Louisiana catahoula leopard dog. Merle to merle breedings are the most common, and for the rate of those breedings, excessive white puppies are very uncommon.

[Bonny]

You are right about the Shelties. I have a friend that raises Shelties for pets & show.