lol well the thing about misty is things like tape dont detour her lol misty can just barly reach her paws onto the counter top, the problem is she can jump, and things that would detour other dogs like pain, or somehing uncomfortable, Misty could care less, she was bred for herding cattle, plus has the border collie determination so she is extremly tough lol I am not looking for ways anymore because I have to invent them myself, ones that are suited to her, not to other dogs, she is just to different from other dogs lol so far my too much of a good thing technique is a workin