Thanks very much, I appreciate your help. I will have to read up more so I understand crate training really well. I don't know about crate training when the other dog is out and about in the house. But he is great and doesn't need it.

I can't put anything on the spot because its the whole back room she will pee in. If I put newspaper down she will pee on the paper usually. I guess I'll just do that. I have been taking th epaper away to try to send the message not to do it inside the house.

She seems a really clever dog, and everytime she pees there I know because she looks SO guilty! So why does she do it if she is smart enough to know I do not approve of it??? This is such a frustrating problem.

If I crate train, is it ok to only do it when I'm home? Because I work, so I am only home nights qnd weekends. So then its not consistent - will it still work? Does anyone have experience crate training an older dog?