Well Im glad you know where your food comes from and have been there. More people should be doing the same. But the vast majority of the world does not, and there are simply not enough farms that are good like the one you go to, and the demand for animal products is so high that there could not be enough farms like that to make everyone happy. Unless people start lessening their meat intake to like you said you do, only a few times a week or less there will never be a way to produce enough food without having factory farms.

And again, raising livestock for food creates a horrendous strain on the environment.

And Im not trying to make you a vegetarian, it is a choice each person has to make. Im simply writing the facts and clarifying for the people who have posted here why vegans choose to be vegans. Im glad you are aware of the issues, and that is fine if you have decided that it is not for you. I respect your decision as I hope you respect mine. However, the majority of our society DO NOT know these things.

”As far as eating at restraunts, most of the places around here get their meat locally and if not well oh well. I am not going to drill a place about where their meat comes from. They have a job to do, and that is to feed me, and if it tastes good I am satified.”

Yeah “oh well”. “If it tastes good I am satisfied”. Right. That’s pretty much the attitude most people have about eating meat and factory farms. Real compassionate.

”As far as God, yes I can bring him into this. Of course everyone doesn't believe in God, but there is a reason why we and animals (food) are here. Why is it so bad for humans to eat animals (we are born to eat meat) and not for other animals to eat them? Bobcat, Cougar, bear etc. also eat animals. I don't hear people saying that those animals are being cruel because they eat meat??? That is what we do, we ear plant AND animals, period! If you chose not to that's fine, but I chose to eat what is provided for me and am very thankful for it.”

Like I said.. that is just opinion. Just like it is opinion that some people believe the opposite.

And no those animals arent being cruel because they don’t have the ability to make moral and ethical decisions. I never said its cruel to eat meat, I said the way animals are being treated at MOST farms (almost all farms) is cruel, and more people should be aware of it, because they arent.

“As far as posting info on cats and milk. I think everyone and their mother knows that they aren't supposed to get it! I am not 12, it's just something most people know. I am a vet tech, I know this stuff.”

And I have to disagree. Most of the people Ive talked to when they hear that cats are lactose intolerant are very surprised. And I never said you were 12, I never implied you were 12. And how should I know you’re a vet tech? And what does any of that have to do with anything?

”The point is, yes it's not healthy for them to drink it all the time or even at all, but the fact is they still drink it! I never said it was natural, I just said they do it, and if in the wild they had the chance to come across it, they WOULD drink it! Racoons can be seen drinking milk from diary cows all the time. Yes the dairy cows were not always there, but racoons are opportunistic animals, and if there is a dairy farm nearby you better believe if they come across a cow they will milk it! I don't even give my cats milk....well sometimes I let them lick the leftover milk from my cereal bowl, but that's it.”

Well my point is, it isnt in the wild for a reason, because they don’t need it. Its not normal, its not HEALTHY. Maybe they would drink it if it was there, maybe not. But its not there because its not natural. That is just a hypothetical situation that would never happen.

”I thin kit is funny how you always point out how bad a meat based diet is but always fail to show the side of vegetarianism that is bad. Some people cannot absorb all the nutrients from pills, some are allergic to peanuts etc. Anyway you eat, there can ALWAYS be complications. What about vegetables that have insectiside sprayed on them that people cosume? You think it is healthy for the air to be spraying chemicles to protect the precious plants all the time? Do you eat organic veggies and fruits? If not how do you know your body isn't binding up deadly chemicles in your kidneys or liver? The point is, any diet can be healthy if you watch what you eat and live right. And that's all there is to eat, it's called a BALANCED diet!”

Yes, there are ways to be unhealthy on a vegetarian diet, but in different ways. If you don’t balance your diet right on a vegetarian diet then you will have problems, But with animal products, there have been many studies linking consumption of animal products to serious health problems like heart disease, cancer, etc. Im not talking about allergic reactions. And I don’t think vegetarians allergic to peanuts eat only peanuts first of all.. And they arent going to be eating peanuts if they are allergic. And yes I do eat organic produce, and no I do not, (nor did I ever say I did), believe spraying pesticides is healthy. Most vegans are against that and buy organic products.

“Also cows are not the only animals that provide milk. Milk also comes from yack, goats, llama and even camel milk! Some people are even utilizing the milk from guanacos, which is said to be healthier than cows milk.”

I know that, but cows milk is the most popular. It was just an example. I don’t understand why any of it is used.