Thank You for the words of advice. The only thing is that I am not sure who is as stray and who is just aneglected pet. I have ties with the manin 2 rescue agencies , and have adopted from them in the past. The only problem is that they and the SPCA are absolutely jammed up with all kinds of cats and kittens looking for a home. I have solved a problem by setting up different feed dishes so at least they dont fight as much. It is tough being a cat lover round here!!!