Sorry, but i don't buy into all the hype about breed clubs and fancy linages. It's all pompous English snobbery in my opinion. It was nothing but a hobby exclusively for the rich at one time. I see standards usually as nothing but a death sentence for breeds. You need fresh blood added every so often and today's ridged standards don't allow for it.

All that i think should matter are the health and temperament of the dog.

I can see where the linage comes into play for the health of a dog, but too often all people care about with a linage are prestige.

And why would i want to breed to someone with AKC papers anyhow? It proves nothing. Even puppy mill dogs can get AKC status. I never said i was going to breed him to a dog with papers did i? I just said that all i could find. You're taking a gamble even on a dog with papers.

I am not a fan of the modern monopoly of the breeding world. I truly think people are brainwashed on what is best.

I do appreciate the few responsible breeders out there who truly care, but so many are in it just for the money or for the sport. (And i find that in itself sickening that some people do it just for the ribbons and trophies... as if their dogs were just mere objects.)


Quote Originally Posted by Vela
Uh, why are you talking about people caring so much about a breed and not doing the right thing for it? How is breeding an unpapered dog good for any breed? Your opinion of his Champion of Health status had nothing to do with whether he fits breed standard or not, which is what shows a used for, judging the conformation and color of a certain breed to insure they are of breeding quality, which is how you "do the best for it" by trying to better the breed. All dogs being bred should have full health testing, before ever being bred, but also need to have a traceable lineage, which is why they need papers, plus they can't be shown without papers, so who is juding that the dog is even breeding worthy? Why would someone want to breed their bitch to your dog, when there are hundreds of others who DO have papers? Without papers it's just like a dog you can get at the pound, which are wonderful dogs, but shouldn't be bred as they aren't bettering any breed. ...