You know i never bothered to reply after my initial post because I noticed the thread starter didn't really seem interested in the arguements the people for the staffie were giving she was only looking for the negatives. It actually seems this thread was not started to get the question 'Staffs are they all vicious?' answered at all it really seems it was started to get a heated debate or arguement if you like started...IMHO. I refuse to get involved in this tired debate and bashing party of any and all bully breeds...it is sickening and stupid. People who are against them are against them PERIOD and they don't want to hear people fight for the bully breed they don't want to listen to facts or expert opinion on the temperment of the dog or the problem of irresponible ownership. It is a waste of breath to try to talk to them as their opinion is set in stone. Blockheaded people drive me nuts...come on people open your minds...it is not the dogs...it is the owners.

Enough said I will not reply again. I just wanted to give my opinion of the whole debate thing.

I do agree that this thread needs to be closed.