Originally posted by Pam
I wasn't going to get involved in this but now feel I must. There have been about three disruptive threads since I have been at Pet Talk (2 yrs.) They didn't start out that way but some members got rude, the last being a 19 year old boy who was asked to leave. In my humble opinion, this thread is heading very much in that direction and should be closed. It is not pet-related. If members want to PM each other that's fine, but let's stop the public bickering.
I don't get why this thread should be closed just because you find it to be "disruptive". If the topic of this thread bothers you, then simply don't read it anyome. I don't see why everyone who enjoys a deeper discussion should have that taken away just cause a few can't take to hear it. One of your reasons why this should be closed is cause it's not pet-related, but the sad truth is that if I had not spoken up with my original comment and this would just have kept on being a "God bless the USA" thread then you would NOT have complained or asked for the thread to be closed.That is UNFAIR and is the ONLY reason I started this argument in the first place. Why can't you see that? And yeah, Andie is partly right. It does help me get some steam out about this all.

Soledad, it seems that Bush thinks that patriotism and being a Christian is the same thing though. I can't find the exact quote right now, but it goes something like this "Real patriots worship the almighty God. If they don't belive in God they should not live in this country. I hope the military will really re-think their decision". He said that when the military said they would allow Wiccan rituals. Like I said, that ISN'T the exact quote, so don't nitpick me. And I know you're right about my temper, I know I should try to be calmer about it... Sorry! Kudos to you and the other non-belivers here who manage their calm, I'm really sorry if I'm ruining it for you all

As for the private reasons I mentioned before... Aside from bible contradictions and scientific facts that go against the bible and the whole thing with the pharao and so on there's personal reasons too... If your loving and compassionate God existed he would not have allowed the following:

My grandpa on my mom's side dying right before I was born, he never got to see me and I never got to meet him.

My grandma on my mom's side dying right before she got to see one of her wishes come true; me starting school.

My beloved cat Titti dying when I was out of the country, I did not even get to say goodbye to her or get to pet her when she fell asleep for the last time.

My greatgrandma passing away that same time when I was gone, I didn't even get to go to her funeral.

My great grandpa also passing away shortly after my great grandma, when I wasn't there.

My grandpa slowly withering away from leukemia.

Me getting a bloodclot in my eye and loosing vision without a chance in hell of regaining it.

Me getting diabetes type 2.

My boyfriend (who was an EXTREMELY devout Christian, he even went to a private Christian school for years) getting cancer in his spinal cord. He spent forever in the hospital going through surgery after surgery, and he has several problems to this very day thanks to it, many mental thanks to scars and so on. Everyone from his church told him God was just "testing" him, but you know what? A loving God would never do such a thing.

Last time I was at the cemetary there was a new grave for a little child, with a little teddybear holding an envelope in it's hands, a letter written by another small child, probably a sibling, a goodbye letter marked by tears.

I could go on and on FOREVER but this is just making me too upset, so sorry.