What a surprise ?

[kimlovescats]

Originally posted by PayItForward
This is why my forum doesn't allow posters to delete entire thread it prevents posters deleting threads for no reason other than people not agreeing with the original poster.

Then my question is ... why don't you stay on your own forum PIF, instead always coming to PT and getting something started?

[dukedogsmom]

PIF wasn't the one that "started" anything, it was changharris. Then, when it wasn't going the way she wanted, she deleted it all.

[micki76]

Originally posted by kimlovescats
My thoughts to ponder...... if being gay is "natural" in God's eyes, then why has the spread of AIDS afflicted us now? Why is this a disease of and for gays?

Couldn't let this one go by. This misguided statement is why this disease is spreading so quickly. This is not a "gay" disease.

In 2003, approximately 1,700 children under the age of 15 years, and 6,000 young people aged 15 to 24 years became infected with HIV every day.(1)

Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. Of newly infected men, approximately 50 percent are black, 30 percent are white, 20 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups.(4)

Of new infections among women in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 75 percent of women were infected through heterosexual sex and 25 percent through injection drug use. Of newly infected women, approximately 64 percent are black, 18 percent are white, 18 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups.(4)

Taken from:
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm

Their numbers were taken from the CDC as indicated at the bottom of the page.

[caseysmom]

Sorry but statements like aids is a gay disease just blow me away and I don't even know where to start. So do you think women are afflicted with breast cancer for some reason?

I hope I have emphasized love and tolerance to others so much that my children would know I would love them.

[kimlovescats]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
PIF wasn't the one that "started" anything, it was changharris. Then, when it wasn't going the way she wanted, she deleted it all.

I know that she didn't start the original thread, but unfortunately she has a long history of being rude here on PT and I for one have had ENOUGH of it!

[Cataholic]

Originally posted by Kfamr
Oh, I wanted to add..... My marriage proposal still stands for Johanna.

Will you choose to be gay for today, with me Jo? You're a brilliant woman!

FINALLY! A marriage proposal! We can raise Jonah together! He will know tolerance, utter devotion towards the felines and canines, adore Chuck Johnsons (isn't that what those shoes are called? LOL, I am old), all types of music, and all types of people!

Do we have to live in Florida, though?

[kimlovescats]

Originally posted by caseysmom
Sorry but statements like aids is a gay disease just blow me away and I don't even know where to start. So do you think women are afflicted with breast cancer for some reason?

I hope I have emphasized love and tolerance to others so much that my children would know I would love them.

AIDS began with homosexuals! It has spread to innocents through drug transfusions, etc. I am not going to argue any more on this insane thread. I usually make a point to avoid the DOG HOUSE because of this very thing happening. Don't we all have enough stress in our lives, than to come here looking for more? I only came to this forum today, because a dear friend mentioned it to me, and I was too "human" and was curious!

[dukedogsmom]

Originally posted by kimlovescats
AIDS began with homosexuals! It has spread to innocents through drug transfusions, etc. I am not going to argue any more on this insane thread. I usually make a point to avoid the DOG HOUSE because of this very thing happening. Don't we all have enough stress in our lives, than to come here looking for more? I only came to this forum today, because a dear friend mentioned it to me, and I was too "human" and was curious!

I have to beg to differ on that remark as it's totally wrong

Quote: A new study of the oldest known HIV suggests the virus jumped from animals to humans in the 1940s.

The year was 1959, location: The central African city of Leopoldville, now called Kinshasa, shortly before the waves of violent rebellion that followed the liberation of the Belgian Congo. A seemingly healthy man walked into a hospital clinic to give blood for a Western backed study of blood diseases. He walked away and was never heard from again. Doctors analyzed his sample, froze it in a test tube and forgot about it. A quarter-century later, in the mid-1980s, researchers studying the growing AIDS epidemic took a second look at the blood and discovered that it contained HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
And not just any HIV. The Leopoldville sample is the oldest specimen of the AIDS virus ever isolated and may now help solve the mystery of how and when the virus made the leap from animals (monkeys or chimpanzees) to humans, according to a report published last week in Nature. Dr. David Ho, director of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center in New York City and one of the study's authors, says a careful genetic analysis of the sample's DNA pushes the origin of the AIDS epidemic back at least a decade, to the early '50s or even the '40s.


end quote.

Taken from here:
http://www.thebody.com/wa/spring98/begin.html
Before you start accusing innocent people, you might want to do some research.

[Cataholic]

Originally posted by kimlovescats
AIDS began with homosexuals! It has spread to innocents through drug transfusions, etc. I am not going to argue any more on this insane thread. I usually make a point to avoid the DOG HOUSE because of this very thing happening. Don't we all have enough stress in our lives, than to come here looking for more? I only came to this forum today, because a dear friend mentioned it to me, and I was too "human" and was curious!

Kim, I love you, but, you are factually wrong. It is this sort of hype that keeps the AIDS epidemic running strong. AIDS isn't anymore of a gay person's disease than breast cancer is a woman's disease.

You would have had to see the whole thread to know that PIF didn't start anything. It was one of the religiously righted, honest. PIF didn't add anything to the fire...it was raging from the very first post (the thread starter) before she posted in it. I can't claim the same innocence.

I can't presume what you would or wouldn't have posted, but, I rarely(if ever) see you debasing others all in the name of Christ and religion.

[catcrazylady]

I have been following this thread and find everyone's view points interesting. I like PT to be my Happy Place so I normally keep my opinions to myself and just have fun. I do enjoy reading and learning from the many view points of PT members. I intend to keep my views on this subject to myself but I could not let this go by.

Originally posted by PayItForward
Chrang threw her dummy out of her pram when people who didn't agree with her posted on her nice anti-gay christain post

Totally uncalled for PIF!!! Too many statements going on here about what you allow and what you don't allow on your website. This is NOT your website, live by the rules or move on. I understand that you are upset that the original thread got deleted and that is your right but these kinds of statements are just plain nasty and no longer express an opinion. Weather you agree/disagree with any statement made by anyone on this board is your right and that is what keeps the Dog House interesting but personal attacks and slams against this website are uncalled for!

[kimlovescats]

Originally posted by Cataholic
Kim, I love you, but, you are factually wrong. It is this sort of hype that keeps the AIDS epidemic running strong. AIDS isn't anymore of a gay person's disease than breast cancer is a woman's disease.

You would have had to see the whole thread to know that PIF didn't start anything. It was one of the religiously righted, honest. PIF didn't add anything to the fire...it was raging from the very first post (the thread starter) before she posted in it. I can't claim the same innocence.

I can't presume what you would or wouldn't have posted, but, I rarely(if ever) see you debasing others all in the name of Christ and religion.

Johanna, thank you ... I am sorry if my stats were wrong. That is just what I have always thought / heard to be right. This is exactly why I normally don't come to this forum. I don't like debates or conflict. I will now 'bow out' before I get in any deeper!

[Cataholic]

I can only presume that anyone blasting PIF didn't see the original thread??????

[micki76]

Originally posted by Cataholic
I can only presume that anyone blasting PIF didn't see the original thread??????

They can see it here, Johanna:

Originally posted by PayItForward
http://www.piftails.com/gay.html

[Cataholic]

Thanks, Micki Mouse. BUT, what I just don't get is why the blasting doesn't get pointed at the source. PIF didn't stir this up...

[catcrazylady]

Originally posted by Cataholic
I can only presume that anyone blasting PIF didn't see the original thread??????

Yes, I did see the original thread and I will be the first one to say that EVERYONE has a right to post their opinions. Opinions are just that but I feel like some of PIFS remarks are no longer opinions and starting to become nasty personal remarks and I don't think her remarks about this website are necessary.