Gays and Gay Marriages

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by snappy
*IT VIOLATES RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
Rabbi Bernard Barsky, Beth Abraham Synagogue, Dayton

Hey, cool! I'm originally from Dayton, and I grew up about a mile from Beth Abraham!!

[aly]

Originally posted by lizzielou742
Wow.......

...that just comes off as completely insensitive....

I can't even think of how to respond to that!!

I'm baffled myself *mouth still hanging open*

I'm trying to come up with some words to reply to that, but I don't think I can.

[tatsxxx11]

I agree Aly. I am unable to have kids and consider my marriage no less legitiamate than those who can and do!!!

And I believe with every fiber of my being, that those of same gender persuaision were born that way and that we should love and embrace them as I believe God does. Forgive me if that sounds patoronizing.

Being gay a choice? A very intelligent and wise (and straight) older male friend of mine once asked a big, hulking, heterosexual male friend of his while having that debate...

"Ok, so one male chooses to be gay. So, when did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual???"

He didn't know how to reply because yes, he had never thought about it because it was never a concious choice.

[Uabassoon]

Originally posted by guineapiglover4ever
i think that it's not god's will
if god intended people to marry their own sex god would have only created man and there would be no woman
well you think
well i think that the presedent is totally right!!
i say ban all gay and lesbo marriages

Wow I can't believe you just said "lesbo".

[heinz57_79]

Originally posted by guineapiglover4ever
i think that it's not god's will
if god intended people to marry their own sex god would have only created man and there would be no woman
well you think
well i think that the presedent is totally right!!
i say ban all gay and lesbo marriages

I'm furious right now, and trying very hard to keep my anger in check. This is just ignorant. You have just insulted numerous people on PT. We have debates all the time where there is a difference of opinion, however NEVER do we openly BASH someone for being different or having a different opinion. This "lesbo" would like to thank you for demonstrating just what is wrong with much of this country.

And if you want to bring God into it, if you want to get TECHNICAL the Bible states that "man shall not lay with man", it says nothing about woman laying with woman. So maybe the MAN who wrote that part was like so many other guys I know, a homophobe when it comes to 2 men... but 2 women.... Yeah, baby, yeah!!!!

[Uabassoon]

JC I wouldn't take too much offense at what guineapiglover4ever said. Have you read some of her other posts?

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by heinz57_79
I'm furious right now, and trying very hard to keep my anger in check. This is just ignorant. You have just insulted numerous people on PT. We have debates all the time where there is a difference of opinion, however NEVER do we openly BASH someone for being different or having a different opinion. This "lesbo" would like to thank you for demonstrating just what is wrong with much of this country.

I feel the exact same way. I just try to remember guineapiglover4ever is 13 and probably (hopefully?) didn't realize she was being so offensive.

[heinz57_79]

About choosing my sexuality, carole has the right of it. If I had had a choice, why would I want this life? Why would I choose to have fewer rights than "normal" people? Why would I choose to have to be looking over my shoulder when I leave a Gay owned establishment because of the number of hate crimes? I love my girlfriend with all my heart. She makes me glad to be who I am. But there are times, like now, when I almost wish it had been a choice. Then I can choose to be straight, and not have to worry about all this BS.

For the most part it seems the GLBT community has a lot of support on here, and for that I thank you. Sometimes it seems as if our friends are few and far-between.

[K9soul]

Originally posted by guineapiglover4ever
i think that it's not god's will
if god intended people to marry their own sex god would have only created man and there would be no woman
well you think
well i think that the presedent is totally right!!
i say ban all gay and lesbo marriages

This sounds to me like the response of a young person parroting words that the adults around her have used. I feel it is sad and disgraceful that no matter what beliefs one may have, they speak around young people in a deliberately derogatory manner about people of different beliefs and ethics and teach them to mock and hate others.

Some of you have made very good, thoughtful and interesting posts, and I have really appreciated reading those. I sure hope it doesn't degrade now into a petty name-calling situation. I hope that people are able to just ignore those who stoop that low.

[heinz57_79]

Originally posted by lizzielou742
I feel the exact same way. I just try to remember guineapiglover4ever is 13 and probably (hopefully?) didn't realize she was being so offensive.

Unfortunately, I think she knows exactly what she's saying. So many teens today are being taught to hate. I think she's trying to rile people up, which is why I didn't explode but I think her feelings are 100% real. My gf's nephew is gay, and went to his prom in a dress. So far, he's had little trouble at school, but I still worry that some little neo natzi punk will take it upon himself to teach the queer a lesson. *sigh* Kids learn hate from their parents and family, for the most part. My question is, why would you want your child to hate? Isn't acceptance and tolerance much better traits to teach?

[dukedogsmom]

Originally posted by lizzielou742
I feel the exact same way. I just try to remember guineapiglover4ever is 13 and probably (hopefully?) didn't realize she was being so offensive.

Which is EXACTLY why no children should be in the dog house in the first place.

[lizzielou742]

OK, so maybe I'm just using the "she's only 13" line to try to keep myself from getting upset! That's also why I didn't reply to her other thread about abortion - trying not to get upset here!

Heinz, I agree with what you said about sexuality not being a choice.

[tatsxxx11]

We all need to take a deep breath...discussing these issues over the internet, among people we think we know, but don't really know, can be difficult at best. While I totally disagree with guineapiglover's comments, I do believe that being only 13, she's not expressing a truly educated, mature opinion. But I understand how it would upset you.

[Kfamr]

"guineapiglover4ever"

One of the problems with your reply is that not EVERYONE believe in your "God" or "God" her/himself... therefore the way "God" intended things to be aren't for everyone.



THIS is one of the cases where i'd blame something on age. I generally HATE the statement "He/she's just <insert age>" But I clearly do think that this was a statement made by a child who's just formed an "opinion" for his/her own peers.


I'd hate for children not to be allowed in the Dog House, Val, because that would include me.

[Kfamr]

Originally posted by heinz57_79
My gf's nephew is gay, and went to his prom in a dress.

Haha, for some reason I find this totally cute.

My friend Preston has been made fun of many times, including online. He wears skirts, girly clothing, etc.. He also has a very girly figure, and hair about to his shoulders. Now, he's not Gay, so it doesn't really go along with the subject, but The dress thing made me think of him. He gets called Homosexual, and all of the derogative words used for it..... many other of my friends are treated the same.

I despise how people make fun of him for his clothing. People even make fun of this kid Justin, who is on our school's morning announcements, because he talks with a lisp.

Today's society totally sucks and so many people don't understand their religions/beliefs aren't to be followed by everyone.