IT'S OFFICIAL! (darn it)

[jonza]

Wishing you all the best with the operation David!

Originally posted by david p
… is Denmark a Lutheran country?

Denmark is mainly Lutheran, but it seems they have a naughty minister in the flock!
We're pretty used to politicians not agreeing nowadays, but this is a new twist. A Lutheran minister who doesn't believe in God - typically Danish! But they mean well.


Doubting Danish Minister Faces Discipline
By JAN M. OLSEN

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) - The Danish government Monday upheld the clerical suspension of a Lutheran minister who proclaimed last year that there was no God or afterlife, and he now could be fired or fined for declaring his beliefs in the pulpit.

The government said it backed the June 10 decision by Helsingoer Bishop Lise-Lotte Rebel who suspended the Rev. Thorkild Grosboell, pastor of Taarbaek, preaching his unconventional beliefs at his church.
Grosboell, who could not immediately be reached for comment, face a disciplinary labor court hearing with two theologians and a presiding judge, who will decide his punishment - dismissal or a fine.

In a statement, Justice Minister Lene Espersen said Monday that Grosboell "had damaged the state (Evangelical Lutheran) Church ... and had not shown loyalty to the state Church.''
She said the court hearing, which is rare in Denmark, would be held sometime after Sept. 1. No date was set. If Grosboell is fined or fired, he would be allowed to appeal the decision to a judicial court.

In Denmark, Lutheran ministers are employed by the state. Only the government can fire them or send them before a court hearing and only with a recommendation from their presiding bishop. Rebel oversees the diocese that includes Taarbaek, a small town north of Copenhagen.

Grosboell has been under Rebel's strict supervision since he first was suspended after a May 2003 interview in which he said "there is no heavenly God, there is no eternal life, there is no resurrection.''

About 85 percent of Danes belong to the state Evangelical Lutheran Church, though just 5 percent attend church services regularly.

Grosboell eventually retracted his statement and apologized for what Rebel had termed "provocative'' remarks. His suspension was lifted.
But in a May 16 sermon, Grosboell said that "God had abdicated in favor of his son, hence in our favor. Therefore there is no longer a heavenly guarantee or an interfering might, there is only the godly kingdom (on earth) that is achieved by us and between us. So if it fails, there is nothing.''

In June, Rebel said that sermon was "clearly incompatible with the state church's faith,'' and added that he had "spoken in a strongly provocative, hurting and confusing way.''

[davidpizzica]

Originally posted by jonza
Wishing you all the best with the operation David!


Denmark is mainly Lutheran, but it seems they have a naughty minister in the flock!
We're pretty used to politicians not agreeing nowadays, but this is a new twist. A Lutheran minister who doesn't believe in God - typically Danish! But they mean well.


Doubting Danish Minister Faces Discipline
By JAN M. OLSEN

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) - The Danish government Monday upheld the clerical suspension of a Lutheran minister who proclaimed last year that there was no God or afterlife, and he now could be fired or fined for declaring his beliefs in the pulpit.

The government said it backed the June 10 decision by Helsingoer Bishop Lise-Lotte Rebel who suspended the Rev. Thorkild Grosboell, pastor of Taarbaek, preaching his unconventional beliefs at his church.
Grosboell, who could not immediately be reached for comment, face a disciplinary labor court hearing with two theologians and a presiding judge, who will decide his punishment - dismissal or a fine.

In a statement, Justice Minister Lene Espersen said Monday that Grosboell "had damaged the state (Evangelical Lutheran) Church ... and had not shown loyalty to the state Church.''
She said the court hearing, which is rare in Denmark, would be held sometime after Sept. 1. No date was set. If Grosboell is fined or fired, he would be allowed to appeal the decision to a judicial court.

In Denmark, Lutheran ministers are employed by the state. Only the government can fire them or send them before a court hearing and only with a recommendation from their presiding bishop. Rebel oversees the diocese that includes Taarbaek, a small town north of Copenhagen.

Grosboell has been under Rebel's strict supervision since he first was suspended after a May 2003 interview in which he said "there is no heavenly God, there is no eternal life, there is no resurrection.''

About 85 percent of Danes belong to the state Evangelical Lutheran Church, though just 5 percent attend church services regularly.

Grosboell eventually retracted his statement and apologized for what Rebel had termed "provocative'' remarks. His suspension was lifted.
But in a May 16 sermon, Grosboell said that "God had abdicated in favor of his son, hence in our favor. Therefore there is no longer a heavenly guarantee or an interfering might, there is only the godly kingdom (on earth) that is achieved by us and between us. So if it fails, there is nothing.''

In June, Rebel said that sermon was "clearly incompatible with the state church's faith,'' and added that he had "spoken in a strongly provocative, hurting and confusing way.''

Now that is pretty odd! I have never heard of a Lutheran Minister not believing in God! I just wonder where he gets his ideas? BTW, jonza, thanks for the well wishing. I can use every bit of it!

[AmberLee]

David, good luck and keep us posted on your progress.

You'll be in our thoughts and prayers.

Purrs and headbumpies from Cassy and Livvy, too.

[davidpizzica]

Originally posted by AmberLee
David, good luck and keep us posted on your progress.

You'll be in our thoughts and prayers.

Purrs and headbumpies from Cassy and Livvy, too.

Well, Amberlee, I'm starting to get more apprehensive as
it gets closer. I know that this a major operation, but I guess I'm thinking about it too much. Cassy and Livvy, thanks for the headbumps and purrs. Scrinches back to you!

[NoahsMommy]

David,

I wish you lots of luck and a super speedy recovery. Surgery and hospital are no fun, but if the end result takes your pain away, it'll be worth it.

Just be sure you have a strong family presence while you're in the hospital. That always helps get what you want and need. Maybe I can convince my mom to do that part...she's excellent in the "patient advocate" role.

My good friend had a hip replacement last September. He is in such wonderful shape now as he made sure and did his physical therapy and was motivate. I think having a good attitude got him where he's at now. (He does spinning at the gym 4 times a week, at 63!!) That is my wish for you...to be even better with your new bionic knee then you ever where with your 'real' one.

Take care. We're here to motivate and do what we can.

[Lillycat]

as the time gets closer, one tends to think about it more.....but the good news is as the time gets closer, it is that much sooner till it is all behind you! take care, think of how much better off you will be when it is all over! look at all the loving support you have here at pt and be comforted!

[davidpizzica]

Originally posted by Lillycat
as the time gets closer, one tends to think about it more.....but the good news is as the time gets closer, it is that much sooner till it is all behind you! take care, think of how much better off you will be when it is all over! look at all the loving support you have here at pt and be comforted!

Thank you for the kind words, Lillycat. Everyone here at PT are the greatest! Talk about a support group, WOW!

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Well, wishes and speedy recovery hopes are flying your way from me too.

With my arthritis, that's something I may have to consider some day. I refuse though, because they would have to replace darn near every joint in my body!

Want Mario to save you some blueberries?

[davidpizzica]

Originally posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Well, wishes and speedy recovery hopes are flying your way from me too.

With my arthritis, that's something I may have to consider some day. I refuse though, because they would have to replace darn near every joint in my body!

Want Mario to save you some blueberries?

Does he have any left over? I'll take whatever he's got LOL I only have one joint affected, so far!!

[Albea]

David, one more word of wisdom from a fellow bionic person: make sure that you have somebody with you for 24 hours a day, at least for a week, once you get back home. It doesn't matter how much the doctors tell you you'll be up and running in no time, it isn't true. I don't know if you'll go to a rehab center before you go home, I didn't, and I had to have somebody here because with all the nurses to give injections, therapists, etc., somebody had to open the door for them.
Once again, best wishes for a very quick recovery.
If there's anything else you want to ask, send me a PM.

Alicia

[davidpizzica]

Originally posted by Albea
David, one more word of wisdom from a fellow bionic person: make sure that you have somebody with you for 24 hours a day, at least for a week, once you get back home. It doesn't matter how much the doctors tell you you'll be up and running in no time, it isn't true. I don't know if you'll go to a rehab center before you go home, I didn't, and I had to have somebody here because with all the nurses to give injections, therapists, etc., somebody had to open the door for them.
Once again, best wishes for a very quick recovery.
If there's anything else you want to ask, send me a PM.

Alicia

Albea, how long did you stay in the hospital? I seem to get various answers from various people anywhere from 2 days to 6 days. My brother says 2 days because he thinks they want you out of there as soon as possible!

[lbaker]

Too bad Donna doesn't live closer to you, I'm sure she would make a kind, caring, attentive nurse and round the clock care probably wouldn't be a trial either Chin up buddy, won't be long now. Support group is right and you deserve it all!
Laurie

[davidpizzica]

Laurie, you are SO right! Gee, if she only were closer! Also, NOBODY can beat the support system we have at PT! EVERYBODY here is making it more bearable and less frightening. I'm going to PM Albea to give me ALOT of tips and about what to expect. Thanks, Laurie!

[Randi]

David, keep your chin up, in a months time, it will over and you'll feel a lot better!

Try some of these to make the waiting bearable.

http://www.cooksrecipes.com/category/diabetic.html

[davidpizzica]

Originally posted by Randi
David, keep your chin up, in a months time, it will over and you'll feel a lot better!

Try some of these to make the waiting bearable.

http://www.cooksrecipes.com/category/diabetic.html

Randi, thank you for the recipies. I'll do anything to cut through this waiting! Daisy is doing her part by curling up beside me. Also Nikki in her own way. They know that there something different going on! Cats are pretty smart!