Bush Expresses "Deep Disgust"

[Edwina's Secretary]

This seems a bit like the story of the boy who kills his mother and father and then pleads for the court's mercy because he is an orphan....

The United States was not asked to liberate Iraq so why do we expect gratitude?

There are many oppressive regimes around the world...North Korea for example... but the partisan decision was made to "liberate" Iraq. Now it is not going well so it is everyone's fault...except those who made the decision to start the battle....

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by 2kitties
<<gets into bed with Richard.

Are your feet warm?


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As a patient American I think we should give the arab world another 5 minutes to recognize what THEIR people have done......If nothing happens, we lump them all together..

Political correctness be damned.
This goes beyond embarrassing a bunch of men in a prison. Only animals are beyond talking....and I think we have found a new species.

And I invite anyone, who does have a soul, to at least listen to the last 37 seconds of that tape.
Then make up you own mind.....BUT DO NOT COMMENT UNTIL YOU DO....You probably won't say much until you get the bile taste out of your mouth.

Then listen closely to the outrage in that part of the world.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Nor were we attacked by Iraq.

They are many who have been opposed from the beginning. Including me. In fact, I believed, if he became president, Bush would find a war to fight.

And I also believe that Americans were seriously mislead about the situation in Iraq....WMD, etc. and were deliberately mislead to believe that there was a connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

[catcrazylady]

I heard a comment the other day that totally blew my mind.

"If Bush had not been elected I don't think 9-11 would have happened. I think it was because of his dad"

Does anyone really believe that all of that planning and money that was spent to arrange such an elaborate plan of attack would have been left undone if anyone else were put in office? Does anyone really think that this form of life that is lower than any animal really gives a crap about who was president? Is it the need to find blame? Is it so hard to place the blame where it belongs? It is as if we want to pity the backwards souls and place the blame on Bush.

According to CNN and Fox news the beheading hasn't even made some of the Arab papers. The few that did report it didn't make it priority.
Oh well, another dead American. A group of maniacs cut off his head but we don't want to give them press.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by sirrahbed

What killed 200.000 Iraqui Kurds???

A bad falafel?
Bad couscous?
Or bad shish kebabs?

[RICHARD]

I am sorry to say that this video and the inaction of muslim faith at large is far more damaging to them then our indiscretions with a bunch of prisoners. It has discredited an ancient religion that has many followers that do disaprove of an action like this....


I liken it to a street gang that hides thier faces to pull off a crime like this...then they hoot and
holler like the jackals they are, all the while slinking away when the lights go on.

They credit their god, their religion and al queda as their cause...

What a bunch of AH's.....

And the funniest/saddest part is that they wear American jeans, shoes, watch American movies and embrace all the American fads.....

I am not afraid of them.

If we turn tail and run we'll get another beating like we took on 9/11...

They truly believe that we will cower when we her the word al queda, osama bin laden and terrorism...

Back on Dec 7, 1941 we took a hit and we got together, held together and made it through that period in time....

Why can't we do it again?

[catcrazylady]

Richard, I so agree! I know I said we should just pack it up but I don't really believe that. It was more of a retaliation remark, you know, like leave them to their own devices and see how far they get!!
I guess I'm an idiot but it would be nice to see a little gratitude and if nothing else I would certainly like to see a rise of the people against the torture of Americans. They were outraged over the torture of their own people by Saddam but seem to take the torture and murder of Americans all in stride. The sad thing is I think its becoming the same way here in the States. I have heard comments today along the lines of "Well they (Americans) should have known the risks when you went over there" I don't know that anyone thinks about being beheaded on video by a bunch of sick demons!!!!!!!
Anyway, Richard let me know when you think their 5 minutes is up! My clock is moving rather swiftly.

[RICHARD]

Times up.

[jonza]

One of the greatest tragedies in all this mess is that there were NO TERRORISTS in Iraq when the war started. Saddam made sure of that, and he had no connection to Al Quaida etc. (Bin Laden apparently despised him). It is also untrue to use the argument that "our country was brutally attacked" by Iraq. It wasn't. And: "We are not fighting "Iraq" - we are fighting the maniacs who are hiding in that country!" isn't quite true, they weren't there before America gave them the golden opportunity. Who were you fighting when you first invaded then? Saddam of course, not terrorists.
Now Iraq is crawling with terrorists, and the arab world hates America and the West even more bitterly than ever before.

There are an awful lot of people outside America who are of the opinion that Pres. Bush and his staff have done irreparable damage to the stability of the world. Like it or not, this is a fact. One can't help speculating that perhaps Bush started this as a personal vendetta due to Saddams' run in with his father. There have been too many lies, half truths and hypocrisy from this administration (is it a true representation of the American people? - I would prefer to think not).

The very least that the administration can be blamed for is a total lack of understanding of what it could and would lead to, and little interest in the problems that would emerge when the rebuilding of Iraq became necessary. They just don't seem to understand the mentality of people and cultures so different from themselves.

Now the unthinkable has happened, and America has to sort this out fast. The longer that Bush and Rumsfeld and the others wait before taking serious action to convince the rest of the world that they mean it, the worse the situation will become. They have both stood up and said "sorry" in a very low voice, but what is going to happen? Are some out-of-line bad apples in the military going to get a "reprimand"? That's nowhere near good enough. The whole chain of command has to be thoroughly investigated, and the sooner the better.

The argument that the other guys are much worse than us just doesn't do it I'm afraid, even though they are. The administration should have known this sort of reaction would come when it started the whole thing. I have little understanding of American politicians, but not blaming Bush then blaming "that blabbermouth coward KERRY and the stupid irresponsible MEDIA", isn't accepted as a rational argument outside America.
How on earth did they think the Iraqis were going to react? "In a civilized manner" perhaps?

And lets try and get the message out: terrorism is not Islam, it's sick people misusing it. I am amazed at the general ignorance of Islam and what it stands for. It has it's faults, and Sharia law and other excesses are totally unacceptable, but Christian fundamentalists and extremists are often no better I'm afraid. We must remember that a lot of terrible things have been done in the name of Christianity too.

How sad for all those upright honest soldiers that are down there in hell risking their lives and being let down by their leaders and dumped on by an indiscriminate, news hungry media. I have a very great respect for them.

[Edwina's Secretary]

That same terrorism is going to exist more and more in our own country if we do not do something.

And I believe the invasion of Iraq will enccourage terrorism more than most anything else. Someone said.."if the people we are holding in these prisons weren't terrorist before, they will be now.

If the WMD haven't been found by this administration's OWN weapons hunters, who will find them? (One of my favorite quips...of course we know Iraq has WMD...we have the receipts.)

I haven't found the "liberal" press yet! I think they are being entirely too soft on this administration. Their job is to report the news.

I believe this adminstration and this war has done more than anything to damage the standing of the United States of America to the rest of the world ...friend and foe alike. I hope we can recover....

And as for those young people...I want them home with their children, their families. NOT in some foriegn country dying for a reason I have not yet heard articulated.

(And by the way...why aren't we allowed by this administration to see the coffins of those who don't make it home??? I read in my newspaper...not known for its liberal bias!... of each soldier killed there. How it breaks my heart.)

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by jonza

Now the unthinkable has happened, and America has to sort this out fast.

Unthinkable what?

One guy gets snuffed on a tape and that is supposed to cow us? Dude, they took out 3,000
people on one day and we are still on the planet..

That just shows their desparation and their inability to cobble together their 'army'.

It takes more that a bunch of punks with a video camera to scare us.


Lol, I'd be pissed off if I lived in a country that hasn't been able to give the people a wooden floor in 2000 years.......instead of being pissed off at the people who have kept them down they choose to take it out on us.....Look at all the countries who planned on world domination as a part of the plan and tell me where are they now?

We have made it to Formica floors in 227 years.

American braggadocio??? Yep, we worked ourselves to where we are today.....I think we deserve that much credit. But hey, when things go wrong, call up the Americans, they'll help us.......

Next time we should take the phone off the hook...

"I'm sorry, the number you have dialed is out of order or has been temporarily diconnected, please check the number you have dialed."

Thank you for your support.

[lbaker]

I think Jonza has it right on (if you will pardon the dated expression). It's high time we opened out ears and eyes to honest opinions from someone from outside the USA who we have known, admired and laughed and cried with over the years, thank you Jonza.

[jonza]

Originally posted by RICHARD
Unthinkable what?

Sorry, I didn't make that clear. I was referring to the fact that American and British soldiers have been discovered committing grossly unacceptable acts in the prisons in Iraq.

[Pam]

Originally posted by 2kitties

Mr. Lieberman did not get my vote for VP. But sometimes, I really think he speaks from a thoughtful place. He's a very intelligent man who I think is a good official.

He was the one with the brain on the ticket last time, at least in my opinion. Had he been the lead the Democrats might have won.

All of that aside and back to the issues at hand, this thread has been a pleasure to read. Thank you all for that! I have nothing to contribute but just to say we have some really good minds here at PT and the dialog has been good all around on both sides of these difficult issues.

PS - Small rant here. Since Nick Berg is from the suburbs of Philly and I am about 10 miles outside of Philly the media is especially filled with the local aspects of the story. What grates on my nerves is the fact that reporters from all over the world are camped outside of his family's home to the extent that they are having a hard time getting through the crowd just running routine errands. Can't they just leave these heartbroken family members in peace to do their grieving and try and deal with their shattered lives.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by jonza
Sorry, I didn't make that clear. I was referring to the fact that American and British soldiers have been discovered committing grossly unacceptable acts in the prisons in Iraq.

thanks.

I thought you were talking about letting innocent American citizens wander about Iraq.

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And finally,

The people who have brought you Homicidal Bus Bombings are said to have released a blurb and have condemned the Nic Berg murder.

Hezbollah, the palestinian terrorist group claimed that the execution of Berg is NOT what Islam is all about.

I am stumped.