Dog meat in Korea!

[CamCamPup33]

Originally posted by popcornbird
You are my dear. Bambi has just been trying to take over today!

He he he

-GASP-.. thats all im gonna say right now.. -mutters- trying to steal her.. trying too hard- (JU)

[popcornbird]

*cough cough*

I think we're going off-topic. Let's discuss this in PM's before everyone else gets annoyed.

[zanzanfergie]

Originally posted by WolfChan
And what we do in the US to cattle raised for food is any better?

Well, actually, I have to say that it is. People try, to the best of their ability, to ensure that the cattle do not suffer as they die, even though that's not always possible in a literal sense, because we can never know the extent of a cow's emotion. In the US there are also external bodies who monitor the slaughterhouses and enforce laws created to protect the cattle.

The difference in Korea is that the dog butchers actively try to make the dogs suffer as they die, to make a better 'quality' meat. The dogs die a slow, painful death.

To me, this isn't a difference of cultures issue so much as an animal cruelty one, which essentially comes down to the questions: what exactly is a humane, economically viable, method of death?

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by zanzanfergie
Well, actually, I have to say that it is. People try, to the best of their ability, to ensure that the cattle do not suffer as they die, even though that's not always possible in a literal sense, because we can never know the extent of a cow's emotion. In the US there are also external bodies who monitor the slaughterhouses and enforce laws created to protect the cattle.

The difference in Korea is that the dog butchers actively try to make the dogs suffer as they die, to make a better 'quality' meat. The dogs die a slow, painful death.

To me, this isn't a difference of cultures issue so much as an animal cruelty one, which essentially comes down to the questions: what exactly is a humane, economically viable, method of death?

Well, where I live, it's as if the slaughter houses try and take the most painful and discusting approach. They hang the cattle (while it's still alive!!!) and slit from the throat down and let it bleed/suffocate to death.

[zanzanfergie]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Well, where I live, it's as if the slaughter houses try and take the most painful and discusting approach. They hang the cattle (while it's still alive!!!) and slit from the throat down and let it bleed/suffocate to death.

Oh. Why? Just curious. If they're killing thousands of cattle a week isn't it illogical to do it in such a time consuming (and messy ) way?
And the logistics of hanging a cow by the neck are to me. You're right, that is painful and disgusting (and desperately sad). I can't see it being the mainstream method of slaughter though. Could be wrong.

[CamCamPup33]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Well, where I live, it's as if the slaughter houses try and take the most painful and discusting approach. They hang the cattle (while it's still alive!!!) and slit from the throat down and let it bleed/suffocate to death.

thats how they kill chickens too..

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by zanzanfergie
Oh. Why? Just curious. If they're killing thousands of cattle a week isn't it illogical to do it in such a time consuming (and messy ) way?
And the logistics of hanging a cow by the neck are to me. You're right, that is painful and disgusting (and desperately sad). I can't see it being the mainstream method of slaughter though. Could be wrong.

I'm not sure why anyone would do that. My brother's grandpa used to live right beside it and that's what he said they did. But they don't kill that many cattle. When you drive past, you only see maybe 100 or less cattle in the field. I believe that they wait until they have a whole bunch, and then slaughter almost all of them in a short period of time. I've never seen the field empty, but I've never seen it that full either.

It's terrible how they placed the slaughterhouse right at the entrance of Kelowna. I can imagine what people think when they come to Kelowna for the first time to such a rotting stench. They must think that the whole place smells like that and that they just get used to it after a while.

[G.P.girl]

i think the murder of animals is wrong in the first place, but i think it's especially sick when thye do it in public. animals desrve the same respct as humans.

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by CamCamPup33
Dogs here are considered 'pets' to live in the house, as pets.. Cattle is raised to be killed for food..

**For Mature audiances with strong stomachs only goes into some detail here**

My friend has a pet, yes I said PET cow, no it doesn't live in the house, but neither do some people dogs. Does that mean they should be cooked and eaten? Your probly like no!

Why can't it be the same way with cows? Or chickens, I know Popcornbird is going to jump all over me for saying this but a chicken is just as good of a pet as any other common "house kept bird" like a parrot. Fine, ok, maybe the parrot is "smarter" in w/e way you see it, but that doesn't mean that the chicken is not a good pet, they make exillent pets. I would also like to point out, some people on here have ducks as pets, they love them just as much as there dogs. My friend, also has ducks, about 7,000 of them (seriously) does he like them? Nope, he sells them to a place that kills them and cooks them. Sometimes just cooked skipping the killing part.


No animal is higher then the other. I honestly beleave because we all have grown up eating cows and living with dogs we veiw it as it's ok to kill a cow, but not a dog, and it's ok to breed a cow everytime we can but we can't breed a dog everytime it comes into heat. We all should just think of *most* milk farms as big Cow Mills, the females are kept pregnet almost there whole lives because if they aren't then they don't produce milk. These cows are bred and bred and bred, much like a female dog in a puppy mill. But puppy mils are a HUGE No No but milk farms aren't???I've never understood this. Cows are as much a pet as dogs are, they love you, they reconize you, they like to be pet, they even sometimes come when called!!

::sigh:: Just need to get that all off my chest


Ashley

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Aspen and Misty


Why can't it be the same way with cows? Or chickens, I know Popcornbird is going to jump all over me for saying this but a chicken is just as good of a pet as any other common "house kept bird" like a parrot. Fine, ok, maybe the parrot is "smarter" in w/e way you see it, but that doesn't mean that the chicken is not a good pet, they make exillent pets.

Me jump over you because of this?!?! What are you talking about?!?!

*I* used to have 8 pet chickens..........PET chickens, who I loved with all my heart! I got them as little itty bitty fluffy chicks, and they were my first *pets* other than fish. I LOVED THEM! My little golden girl, Henny Penny was my favorite. She was soooooooo cute, especially when she was 2 weeks old! Oh, I still miss her. We gave them away to a friend who lived in the countryside, because we couldn't handle 8 growing chicks in the city.....but they were pets there as well and lived there for years until they died of old age! We even got to eat their eggs! he he! Would I *ever* eat THOSE chickens? NEVER! But.......I still eat chicken.......other chickens, that I've never seen or known. I don't think any animal is worth more than the other. Its just the tradition, that some animals are used for food and others are not. It doesn't mean they are worth more or less. I don't see a dog superior to a cat or a bird or a rabbit or whatever. They are all animals with a life and a soul and feelings. I don't consider it wrong to eat animals. Animals eat animals too. We're just keeping our end of the food chain. Yes I find it gross to eat a dog, but I wouldn't condemn others for eating it. Yes it makes me want to vomit.........just the thought, but its not because I consider dogs superior to other animals. I don't. I just find it gross to me and would never do it.

Ps. I'm very familiar with cows/goats/sheep/etc. as pets. I go to Pakistan every few years because I have relatives there, and LOTS of people keep such animals as PETS there. They are VERY sweet and lovable.........and they even go for walks with their owners on leashes sometimes! I've even seen people with pet monkeys there! LOL

[Aspen and Misty]

I dunno, you and your weird Bird Feathery ways, you never know what to expect ::Watches back in case popcornbird comes behind her with a wild killer parakeet::

It's good to know that you don't think like that PCB!! ::Yippee:: <~~I think there are to many Yipps or yee's in that. LOL

Ash

[CathyBogart]

Originally posted by zanzanfergie
Well, actually, I have to say that it is. People try, to the best of their ability, to ensure that the cattle do not suffer as they die

WOW, I want to live where you live! Have you SEEN some of the slaughterhouse vids that have been posted here? Such places are the rule, not the exception, I'm sorry to say.

Huzzah for my favorite organic/free-range meat place...

[zanzanfergie]

Originally posted by WolfChan
WOW, I want to live where you live! Have you SEEN some of the slaughterhouse vids that have been posted here? Such places are the rule, not the exception, I'm sorry to say.

Huzzah for my favorite organic/free-range meat place...

My point was that the aim of the slaughterhouses is not to hurt the animals. They may not care whether they suffer but that is not their purpose.

[Twisterdog]

As for us not eating goat.........goat is actually eaten a lot in the US! I eat goat a lot actually...........and its available in many stores around here.

Wow, I had no idea. Sorry. I have never heard of anyone eating goat, ever, here. Maybe because we are a big beef state.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
I dunno, you and your weird Bird Feathery ways, you never know what to expect ::Watches back in case popcornbird comes behind her with a wild killer parakeet::

It's good to know that you don't think like that PCB!! ::Yippee:: <~~I think there are to many Yipps or yee's in that. LOL

Ash

My wierd Bird Feathery ways?!?! Exactly WHAT did you just say? He he he

Twisterdog, I think you probably haven't heard of Americans eating goat because you live *I think* in a state where people are mostly local...........not from other regions or countries. In areas that are more diverse, you have people bringing their cultures into the area, and find locals quickly adapting to them. Goat meat is common where I live.............I've even seen it at Safeway and other grocery stores. If you go to Indian restaurants, they would probably have some dishes with goat meat in them. I always see goat meat as so very similar to sheep. I mean.......we use both in the same dishes and it tastes pretty much the same. Its so slightly different, that sometimes I don't know if my mom made sheep or goat, and I don't even bother asking. The farms here are full of goats as well. Goats and sheep.........they are both very commonly used for meat.