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[jackiesdaisy1935]

From Soladad

I know you'd be a lot happier Jackie if people who disagreed with you and you didn't like were shipped off to camps and kept away from the population, but unfortantely that strategy doesn't work too well after WWII.

I find that insulting for you to tell me something like that, I have been in PetTalk for a long time and I have shown respect to everyone in here, I tried to ask you legitimate questions to understand what your thought process was, in turn you disrespect me, as far as I am concerned you are not worth the effort. I wouldn't ship you off to a camp but I would prefer that you stay in NZ, I wouldn't want you for a neighbor. We live in a diversified neighborhood which includes Mexican, Iraqi, Korean, Black, Filipino and many more nationalities, believe me you would not fit in, they are all true Americans.
Jackie, Perry and Miss Daisy

[mugsy]

Did I mention names??? I would like to see at least one thread on here remain positive since none of the others seem to.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

I'm sorry, I will not do it again, I will remain positive.
Jackie, Perry and Miss Daisy

[mugsy]

I wasn't talking to you Jackie, you posted at the same time I did!....I've tried 3 or 4 times to get this thread back on track and have fallen flat on my face everytime.

[catland]

I'll try to get it back on track Mugsy.

The most recent immigrant to my family tree is my mother-in-law who is from Japan. She was a school girl during WW2. She met her husband, my father-in-law, during the occupation after WW2.

She is proud to be an American. I've spent many Independence Days at her and my father-in-law's home, where we celebrate America, eat, and go to a fireworks show.

She was told that she had to learn the Pledge of Allegiance "forwards and backwards" so she did.


PS: If you are tired of certain people's threads, just click on their profiles and click on the "Ignore" button. It works wonders.

[yorkster]

Originally posted by Karen
Soledad, that was not nice.

This is still Pet Talk, even though it's the Dog House, remember?

We should all still be respectful of each other as human beings. We are all special, right?

Tell me, because I don't understand:

Why is it that what Soledad did/said was so "not nice", as compared to some of the other remarks by others (i.e. 'we'd be happier if you moved to France', etc.).

So, let me get this straight: if you oppose the war AT ALL, you're a bad, un-patriotic American?

[mugsy]

thanks catland for trying to get this back on track, but it's become perfectly obvious that people want to continue the pro American/anti American crap and not what the thread was supposed to be about.

I just wonder what these new citizens would think of this thread.

I admire anyone who leaves their homeland to come to a new country and start a new life. How scary would that be??

[yorkster]

Gee Mugsey, you will have to forgive me for "continuing the American/anti-American crap"............I've been away from PT for quite awhile and had not seen/heard the debate you all had going-on. I too, have some feelings about all of it, and needed to vent a bit (as all of you already did).

As I have said, I have not been on PT for quite awhile- yesterday was my first day back, and what a shock!
It saddens me to see/hear all the animosity between so many of you

I don't usually get invovled in the friction that I see (from time to time) here, but this really got to me. Especially when I read that some of the P. Talkers seemed to think it was okay to say to other members "we would be happy if you just moved to France, and not the USA!" OR "We won't even bother with an insignificent little country like Denmark!"
Maybe only one or two of you said it, but a few others condoned it by letting it go, and even backing-it up.

In my opinion, acting like THAT is un-American.
(and kinda rude).

And Oh, BTW, there are not just 2 sides to this (i.e. American vs. anti-American). It's not a completely black or white issue.
There are many, many people who SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, but are upset by the fact that we are in this war.

Again, I'm sad and disappointed in what I have been reading from some you here the last couple days.




PS-Karen still doesn't have an answer for me? I thought not.................

[mugsy]

yorkster, my complaint is that this particular thread started out very upbeat and then got nasty when people started making crappy comments. It got totally off the topic and it made me angry, I have made attempt after attempt to bring it back on topic and everytime someone gets off topic again. My question is, why the heck don't the people who are upset make their own thread? Oh well, like you I need to vent.

And, yes, this all started over people being upset about pro-Americans/anti Americans, and escalated from there. And to be perfectly honest, we have no idea what happened behind the scenes with any of the parties involved.

And as far as the anti-war sentiments, I don't like war any more than the next person, but, I felt this one was necessary and the people who are badmouthing the president LOUDLY and questioning how much they like America yada yada yada, yeah, I think they ought to move to France (although, now that the war is being won quite handily, although I'm sure I'll have those that say that's not true either, France has decided that maybe the war was a good idea....how convenient). But, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it just like the anti war people are entitled to theirs and if someone favors one side or the other then that's their right....especially if they OWN the site.

[yorkster]

....................SIGH.
It does not even seem like you read what I said

Can't you or anyone else on the other side of this issue maybe, just maybe see that there's more than just two sides to this issue?
It seems that you all about "you're either pro-American or anti-American"
Can't you see that it is not that simple?

And................I was just asking the moderator for a clarification on something that she brought up- it really does not matter who owns this site

[Soledad]

It's a waste of energy, Yorkster.

[Karen]

Originally posted by yorkster


PS-Karen still doesn't have an answer for me? I thought not.................

What question were you expecting me to answer?

I have not stated my opinion on the war in any way, shape or form here, nor do I intend to, lest people assume I am "chosing sides." Some people on any side of the issue have already accused me of taking someone else's "side." Sigh. If you earnestly want my opinion on the war, PM me.

All I ask is that the people here, even in "The Dog House" - an area set aside for discussion of things like the war (so if you don't want to see anything contentious, stay out of "the Dog House,") remeber that everyone here is a special person, and that we have to respect each other, even if we disagree with each others' opinions.

[Soledad]

"remeber that everyone here is a special person, and that we have to respect each other, even if we disagree with each others' opinions."

I think she was wondering why no comments were made by you or Paul regarding "pro-war" comments like "go move to France" "you're un-American" etc.

[yorkster]

Originally posted by Karen
Soledad, that was not nice.


The reply I asked about last night (it's about 3-4 replies back).
And it related to something at the beginning of this whole thread.

I just did not understand what your thinking was when you told Soledad she was 'not nice', when there had also been some mean-spiritted remarks on the other side also. I am really not trying to cause trouble, I just thought there was something I missed

I would have PM'd you but I thought since the whole thing was all going-on out in the open anyway...................................

[Karen]

I don't want my being moderator to mean I chastize everyone individually each and every time.

In that post, only

Soledad, that was not nice.

was addressed to Soledad. It was because she had posted this

I know you'd be a lot happier Jackie if people who disagreed with you and you didn't like were shipped off to camps and kept away from the population, but unfortantely that strategy doesn't work too well after WWII.

which seemed like a very personal attack, while Jackie's suggestion that she might be happier in a different country, didn't seem to deserve quite as vitriolic and personal an attack on her character was posted.


The following part was a separate paragraph, and intended for everyone.

This is still Pet Talk, even though it's the Dog House, remember?

We should all still be respectful of each other as human beings. We are all special, right?

And I still believe we can do it.

This thread HAD died down for a couple days, and people seemed calmer. I hope they can still be.

Pet Talk in general is still a friendly happy place. Again, if you don't want to see contentious stuff, avoid posts in "the Dog House," okay?