Casey Anthony's murder trial

**Medusa** · 06-13-2011, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by caseysmom

I think its a pretty open and shut case against casey. Are we all watching the same trial...just my opinion.

Dr.G put the nail in the coffin for me, casey had an ethical, moral and legal obligation to report her daughter missing and she didn't, she threw her out in a trash bag, there was duct tape on her mouth and casey is saying it was an accident.

I think Casey did it as well. My point is that, according to the panel of experts, the prosecution hasn't proved that. Dr. G's testimony was powerful, to be sure, but it was commented that she ruled it a homicide based on past experience and opinion but not on actual fact b/c they can't prove that Casey put the tape on Caylee's mouth or that she was even responsible for putting Caylee in Casey's car trunk. I hope that the jury use their common sense and aren't conned by Casey's theatrics.

**pomtzu** · 06-13-2011, 11:26 AM

Until someone can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that she INTENTIONALLY murdered her daughter, then she will never be convicted of 1st degree murder, regardless of how much evidence points to her.
IMO.......

**Medusa** · 06-13-2011, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

Until someone can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that she INTENTIONALLY murdered her daughter, then she will never be convicted of 1st degree murder, regardless of how much evidence points to her.
IMO.......

Exactly.

**Marigold2** · 06-14-2011, 07:07 PM

I don't watch, it is so sad to me. This poor little girl. I really don't need to hear how she suffered. I have hope that the justice system will work and mom or whomever is guilty will be punished.

**Asiel** · 06-14-2011, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

Until someone can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that she INTENTIONALLY murdered her daughter, then she will never be convicted of 1st degree murder, regardless of how much evidence points to her.
IMO.......

I tned out way back. I just couldn't handle the testimony and it literally made me sick so best I didn't hear all the gory details.... but I just have to ask this question unless you were just making a point (which I think you were). But how do you unintentionally kill your daughter when it's murder?
In any case I do hope they can prove without a shadow of a doubt and I hope she gets what she deserves...beyond sad

**wombat2u2004** · 06-14-2011, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

Until someone can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that she INTENTIONALLY murdered her daughter, then she will never be convicted of 1st degree murder, regardless of how much evidence points to her.
IMO.......

There's been too many innocent people who have received the death penalty and executed in the past is why.

**mrspunkysmom** · 06-14-2011, 09:47 PM

Yes, short of a video of the murder or coverup, or catching her red-handed like Jeffry Dahmer, the best sentence is life w/o parole.

Her behavior and attitude during this process have hurt her, not helped her.

**caseysmom** · 06-14-2011, 09:48 PM

There is overwhelming evidence that she did it, I believe she will be conviced.

**Medusa** · 06-15-2011, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Asiel

I tned out way back. I just couldn't handle the testimony and it literally made me sick so best I didn't hear all the gory details.... but I just have to ask this question unless you were just making a point (which I think you were). But how do you unintentionally kill your daughter when it's murder? (

If I may, I think what Ellie meant is premeditated murder and that's murder in the first degree.

The heart shaped sticker and the duct tape did it for me. As was pointed out, the tape was wrapped around and around, not just a little piece across the nose and mouth. I can just picture her being so angry that she kept wrapping Caylee in that duct tape, angry at her mother, angry at Caylee for spoiling all her fun, etc.

**pomtzu** · 06-15-2011, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Asiel

I tned out way back. I just couldn't handle the testimony and it literally made me sick so best I didn't hear all the gory details.... but I just have to ask this question unless you were just making a point (which I think you were). But how do you unintentionally kill your daughter when it's murder?
In any case I do hope they can prove without a shadow of a doubt and I hope she gets what she deserves...beyond sad

I guess I worded that wrong - I should have said "intentionally caused her daughter's death".
Casey could have been trying to drug Caylee and get her to sleep, so that she could party hardy, without intending to kill her with a dose of chloroform. That's what I meant.
Of course I believe that she did it, but if I was on that jury, I couldn't give her the death sentence. There are no witnesses to Caylee's death, there are no fingerprints of Casey's anywhere linking her to the crime. Show me those, and I would say to fry her too!
Too many loose ends at this point. We'll see how the defense goes...........

**Asiel** · 06-15-2011, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

I guess I worded that wrong - I should have said "intentionally caused her daughter's death".
Casey could have been trying to drug Caylee and get her to sleep, so that she could party hardy, without intending to kill her with a dose of chloroform. That's what I meant.
Of course I believe that she did it, but if I was on that jury, I couldn't give her the death sentence. There are no witnesses to Caylee's death, there are no fingerprints of Casey's anywhere linking her to the crime. Show me those, and I would say to fry her too!
Too many loose ends at this point. We'll see how the defense goes...........

I forgot about the premeditated clause. That angers me even more. So if you don't sit for a month and plan how and when you're going to kill your daughter then I guess you get away ith it. I guess I'm like Medussa...the duct tape did it for me plus stuffing her in the trash pointed to guilt on her part or common sense would have made her call for help.
Too many loopholes in the system for me. But then we aren't the law. Sad how the system can help so many kids but still have some fall through the cracks. It's open and shut as far as I'm concerned but like you said...nowadays you need a videao to prove your point.

**Medusa** · 06-15-2011, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

Of course I believe that she did it, but if I was on that jury, I couldn't give her the death sentence. There are no witnesses to Caylee's death, there are no fingerprints of Casey's anywhere linking her to the crime. Show me those...........

And there lies the problem, which is why some suspect that George might be involved. Obviously, I don't know whether or not he is involved in the actual murder or disposal of the body but my instincts tell me that he at least knows something that the rest don't know. I'm no body language expert but I have been interested in body language all my life and when he was questioned as to whether or not he sexually molested Casey, his facial expression belied his answer in the negative. Some read it as anger that he was even being asked the question. I read it as shame and fear that he was going to pressed on the matter. He probably will be pressed when the defense presents its case. That's what Baez is chomping at the bit to get started; turn the attention away from Casey and point the finger at George. There's no way this was a drowning accident. When Cindy mentioned it, Casey actually snickered and said "Surprise, surprise". Did Baez not see that jailhouse tape???

**pomtzu** · 06-15-2011, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Asiel

.the duct tape did it for me plus stuffing her in the trash pointed to guilt on her part or common sense would have made her call for help.

But.......who saw Casey put her in the trash bag and dump the body??? No one!!! Where are the fingerprints on the duct tape and/or trashbag??? There are none!
Don't get me wrong - I'm in no way defending Casey - but she may benefit by all the loopholes in the system. Yes - people are convicted based on circumstantial evidence all the time. But at the same time, people are also wrongly convicted and spend their life in prison and are even put to death, only to have it proven much later, that they were not guilty afterall.

Originally Posted by Medusa

I'm no body language expert but I have been interested in body language all my life and when he was questioned as to whether or not he sexually molested Casey, his facial expression belied his answer in the negative.

I noticed this too. When he was asked the question, he had been looking straight ahead, but before he answered, he lowered his gaze and then looked back up again before he answered "no I did not".

I believe that George and/or Lee know a lot more than they are telling.