SO excited and happy, but I dont want them to be slaughtered!!!

[caseysmom]

If that 4-H'er came on here gloating, I would say the same thing. It is a Pet site....not a slaughter site, or a farm site, etc.

As for reading it or not, I suspected that would be an easy target. But, the fact remains, it is on a Pet site, with a fairly large "catchy" title. I think of others that might be bothered by it, but don't post. I think of a visitor to our site seeing it and thinking, "wow, this works for them?". Me? I am pretty used to having an opposing view, and feel strongly enough about my convictions to post and get flamed for it.

Well I agree with you that it doesn't belong here.

[Karen]

I allowed this post, it is in The Dog House for a reason, as it deals with religion, and can be upsetting to people. Sana was posting that she was happy and excited to see the animals, but sad they would be slaughtered. In no way does she seem gleeful about the slaughter, it is just standard practice in her religion. These were not pets, but livestock raised for this purpose. As the thread title mentions slaughter, I thought that would be sufficient warning to anyone who might be upset about it to stay out of the thread and not read it.

[sana]

Ok! Cataholic, pomtzu and lizbud. Listen up! Have you never eaten mutton or a goat's meat? Huh?! Well, I am dead sure you have! Have you ever thought where it came from? You must have eaten, pork, goat's meat, beef, camel's meat, chicken's meat or mutton. You must have eaten any ONE! Think of where its coming from..yes from the meat shop or you have an animal slaughtered..well, same here, so, on our Eid, we remember an ancient story, a great story from the past and we celebrate this day, don't YOU celebrate Jesus Christ's birthday?! You do RIGHT?! So, we celebrate this day in remembrance of a story from Ibrahim (Abraham)'s life! We celebrate this day by something he did, he was told to slaughter his son but Allah had better plans, He sent an angel down to put the son side and a ram in the place. So we were told by Allah to slaughter an animal (cow, sheep, goat, camel) in remembrance of the Prophet Ibrahim's act. We do NOT do butchery or we don't do cruelty to the animals! We are happy to see them because WE TOO are animal lovers, I am an animal lover and I love cows, sheep, goats and camels a lot! So, Allah told us to sacrifice something we love dearly for Him! And we sacrifice a goat, cow, sheep or a camel. From this we learn patience, self sacrifice. We like sacrificing things for Allah.

And if any of you have a problem, then don't post anything here, this thread is for those who have sense, a brain and a heart, people unlike you! Some people who have good thoughts like Karen, sparks19 or Freedom or moosmom who had enough sense to not disagree to another person's religion! People who know how to control their feelings, they might have some disagreements against my religion but they keep them to themselves and don't just blabber out! PM me if you wanna continue this argument, I'll be glad to help.

[jennielynn1970]

How many of us have Lamb on EASTER.... think about what that symbolizes.

That's all I'll say about that.


Eid... I celebrated it with my ex boyfriend, who was from Egypt. It was a wonderful celebration over here. We got our meat from the halal store. I hope your Eid was a happy one, Sana!

[caseysmom]

Ok! caseysmom, Cataholic, pomtzu, lizbud. Listen up! Have you never eaten mutton or a goat's meat? Huh?! Well, I am dead sure you have! Have you ever thought where it came from? You must have eaten, pork, goat's meat, beef, camel's meat, chicken's meat or mutton. You must have eaten any ONE! Think of where its coming from..yes from the meat shop or you have an animal slaughtered..well, same here, so, on our Eid, we remember an ancient story, a great story from the past and we celebrate this day, don't YOU celebrate Jesus Christ's birthday?! You do RIGHT?! So, we celebrate this day in remembrance of a story from Ibrahim (Abraham)'s life! We celebrate this day by something he did, he was told to slaughter his son but Allah had better plans, He sent an angel down to put the son side and a ram in the place. So we were told by Allah to slaughter an animal (cow, sheep, goat, camel) in remembrance of the Prophet Ibrahim's act. We do NOT do butchery or we don't do cruelty to the animals! We are happy to see them because WE TOO are animal lovers, I am an animal lover and I love cows, sheep, goats and camels a lot! So, Allah told us to sacrifice something we love dearly for Him! And we sacrifice a goat, cow, sheep or a camel. From this we learn patience, self sacrifice. We like sacrificing things for Allah.
And if any of you have a problem, then don't post anything here, this thread is for those who have sense, a brain and a heart, people unlike you! Some people who have good thoughts like Karen, sparks19 or Freedom or moosmom who had enough sense to not disagree to another person's religion! People who know how to control their feelings, they might have some disagreements against my religion but they keep them to themselves and don't just blabber out! PM me if you wanna continue this argument, I'll be glad to help.

You must not have read my posts very carefully, I was defending you. I only agreed with Cataholic that this is not the best place to post this.

[sana]

ooopss....Sorry about that I was too angry over "some" Pters I am sorry to have said that to you I erased your name.

[sana]

How many of us have Lamb on EASTER.... think about what that symbolizes.

That's all I'll say about that.


Eid... I celebrated it with my ex boyfriend, who was from Egypt. It was a wonderful celebration over here. We got our meat from the halal store. I hope your Eid was a happy one, Sana!

Yes, mine went great, Thank God because I didn't want mine to be like my class fellows, she doesn't really like animals so she doesn't enjoy Eid. She is also afraid of animals, Thanks for asking

[Cataholic]

I allowed this post, it is in The Dog House for a reason, as it deals with religion, and can be upsetting to people. Sana was posting that she was happy and excited to see the animals, but sad they would be slaughtered. In no way does she seem gleeful about the slaughter, it is just standard practice in her religion. These were not pets, but livestock raised for this purpose. As the thread title mentions slaughter, I thought that would be sufficient warning to anyone who might be upset about it to stay out of the thread and not read it.

Is that the newest rule? That as long as the thread title warns people off, that it is appropriate to post? Wowsers.

This has nothing to do with what I think is right or wrong for others, and I just knew the religious cloak would come on. Knew it.

This is a pet site. You just gotta wonder why people continue to leave....

[Catty1]

Cataholic - sana explains how this is a part of her faith. No one is cloaking anything here...it just seems it is a fact of that faith.

[sasvermont]

I think the thread should be closed. I don't know that it is going anywhere nicely.

I, too, agree that this is a pet forum and slaughtering animals doesn't fit!

[blue]

Is that the newest rule? That as long as the thread title warns people off, that it is appropriate to post? Wowsers.

This has nothing to do with what I think is right or wrong for others, and I just knew the religious cloak would come on. Knew it.

This is a pet site. You just gotta wonder why people continue to leave....

I think the thread should be closed. I don't know that it is going anywhere nicely.

I, too, agree that this is a pet forum and slaughtering animals doesn't fit!

So yalls intolerance get to dictate what gets posted in the "Dog House"?

I believe Karen is still the Mayor of PT, not either of you.

Sana and Popcornbird, thanks for sharing about Eid ul adha.

I hate to say it, but it is nice to see a positive side of the Muslim culture.

[sana]

Thanks Karen, popcornbird, jenn, caseysmom, sparks19! Good to hear some PTers are nice!
But, blue, I didn't understand your last line.

[popcornbird]

Oh yes, so the turkeys you all eat on Thanksgiving aren't slaughtered, right? Maybe we should consider Thanksgiving a cruel holiday. Just because you get it from a store doesn't mean it wasn't slaughtered.

It is a shame that anyone who eats meat consider this offensive, and I find it VERY sad that this is in the Dog House. It is like putting a post on Christmas in the Dog House.

The spirit of Eid is that of giving, sharing, sacrifice, and love. Every bit of the animal that is slaughtered is used for food. It is shared with those who do not have enough money to buy food all year. It is a joyous time for 1.2 billion people around the world. I find it really sad that anyone find this offensive.

If you don't want to eat meat, fine, but don't condemn the majority of the world that does. Our beloved pets eat meat, and so do we. It is natural, normal, and there is nothing wrong with it. To be a vegetarian is a choice, and to not be a vegetarian is a choice. No one is condemning the choice of vegetarians, and no one should condemn non-vegetarians.

Islam commands that we treat animals with tremendous kindness. These animals that are eaten on Eid are treated with love in their life. We are commanded to slaughter in the MOST humane way, and the typical meat available in the supermarkets is forbidden for us to eat because that method is not followed. I have seen sheep being slaughtered for food, and I can tell you they do not even cry once. Not once. It is such a quick method that their pain is kept at minimum.

I hate that EVERYONE demands respect. EVERYONE demands understanding. EVERYONE demands freedom. EVERYONE demands the right to make their own choices....yet when it comes to MUSLIMS, EVERYONE tries to condemn for things they do themselves. I'd like to see how any of you would feel if you were expected to defend yourself and your beliefs for everything. We have to defend ourselves for eating meat and sharing it with those who have nothing to put in their children's plates. Lovely...

You want me to criticize Christmas and see how you like it? Your holidays are not superior to ours. Do NOT demand respect if you do not know how to give it to others.

If you eat meat, you have no right to condemn this. And if you don't, I respect your choice, but you need to respect mine as well.

Abraham was one of God's greatest Prophets, and amongst the most beloved of God's men. To remember this great man who is known as a Prophet of God in the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim faiths is a matter of honor, not a matter to condemn.

And for anyone who says, "I'm glad my God doesn't do this or that..." there aren't a bunch of different gods who created different people. We all came from the same source. Its how you may think, but the truth of the matter is my God is the God who created me and you, and that really isn't a different god.

How terrible that anyone should hurt a child for sharing about a day that is so special to her, her family, and to people in lands from Africa to the Middle East, to Asia, through Europe, and throughout the Americas. It really shows the ignorance of the masses, and it is very, very sad. Look beyond what you 'see' on the 'media'.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but I feel very hurt and annoyed right now.

[DJFyrewolf36]

Very well said, Popcornbird. Sana, I'm glad you had a very good holiday. Sometimes I think people forget that there are other traditions in the world besides western culture.

ETA: Sana, I believe Blue was commenting on how in the US at least we get fed a lot of negative things about the muslim culture through the news and other media. It is nice to see someone that lives in that culture share some positive things about it.

[sana]

Thanks DJ and thanks for telling me what blue meant

And I wanted to say (not only to DJ) I was happy that I sacrificed something for my God, don't think He is being cruel to me by telling me to let me go off something and be sad that I let it go. He isn't doing it for fun, He has wisdom in everything He does. I am happy to sacrifice something for Him, even if I loved it more than anything.

And popcornbird, WELL SAID!!! the reply was really well said! Thanks for replying and providing your insight into the matter.