Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

[Miss Z]

But on a similar line of thought... Where I see the trouble happening is when people of a certain religious group want a set of laws that are different from the country they choose to live in. I am not 100% up to speed on what is going on in the UK with this right now... But I do recall seeing something about a judge allowing 'certain aspects' of sharia law to apply to muslim groups in the UK. Any comment on that Zara?

Not picking on you or anything, I just know you have a soild brain up there and you live in the UK.

I'll be honest and say I wasn't aware of that case and so I looked it up. I must say I'm quite surprised at Lord Phil.

Personally, I don't think much of what was suggested would ever get off the ground, apparently we do have a Sharia Council (who knew? ) but I've never heard of their involvement in anything. We have Equal Rights Opportunities groups that extend to ridiculous levels over here and by gawd would they kick up a stink.

The United Kingdom of Great Softies hate offending anyone and I can see far too many pitfalls for the PC Brigade to pursue that one. Particularly in our current political climate, we have more pressing matters.

My high school was slap-bang in the middle of an Islamic community and after being fortunate enough to speak with the MP and former Justice Secretary Jack Straw, I discovered a few interesting things about how 'strict' Islamic communities have been in that area in former years. Going back 20, 30 years perhaps, the community was far more Westernised, now? Communities are rekindling some of the traditional Islamic ways of living. It has A LOT to do with Western presence in the Middle East, but that's probably a story best saved for another time since it'll cause no end of trouble here.

I agree that a country's laws imposed by those we chose to elect should be abided by everyone within its shores regardless of their personal upbringings and background and opinions. I don't believe that the problem of unruly ethnics over here is half as bad as some of our propaganda makes out. There'll always be another hate preacher no matter how many times we chuck the last one out, but as for 'Islamic communities being slowly reeled in', as I once read in one paper? Piffle.

As is often the case in many aspects of life, there's always some nutjob who ruins it for everyone.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL,

Go to a border town here in the U.S. and all the people are really friendly and tell you "Vaya Con Dios". It's the guys that are running the drugs,kidnapping and executing people that are the heathens, Pay no attention to them and you will be o.k.

It's not the natives, it's being naive.


My rose colored glasses are really cheap, I'd hate to invest a ton of money in a pair and lose them while being bound and gagged by some Narcoterrorist while I am on vacation in THEIR backyard.

Eh, OK.

Fortunately, then, naïveté has allowed me get out and to ask the people, whom the news in my country spoonfeeds me negativity about, what their take on it all is, rather than relying on the belief that I know everything about everybody cos-I-saws-it-ons-the-tv.

I've been called a crazy white girl once, I grant you, but as yet, I've not been 'terrorised'.

In a nutshell, that is my point on education, which I posted in another thread.

[RICHARD]

New York is a long way from El Lay so I really should not have a problem with it, but I was thinking about the situation and would like to 'localize' it with a scenario that may be little similar to what is going on with this topic.

Yes, It's a scenario, but hang with the topic? It's morbid curiosity that makes me ask and I just want to see if it makes anyone think differently?

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Remember, this is a "what if?"

Who are you? You are married with two kids of your own, you SO has brought her two into the family - they are two boys and two girls from 5-14.

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The first problem?

During a serious family meeting you are told that one of your relatives has molested another family member. Because of the time lapse, there is no way to make this person responsible for what they did. When the family member is confronted with the story, they begin to yell, scream and accuse you of lying and not taking any responsibility for their supposed actions. The healing begins but everyone has circled the wagons for whichever side you are on, and there is definite animosity between the two.

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You live in a neighborhood for years and know ALL the neighbors.

An empty lot across the street is being developed into a complex with six apartments in it. When you run into the neighbor who owns the land you
chat and find out that he has sold it to a group that is doing the building.


You meet the NEW owner and he/they tell you that four of the units will be used as 'monthly rentals' to people who are a little down on their luck.

The building is finished and you begin to suspect the rentals are being used by men and women who are fresh out of prison/jail as temp shelters until they get on their feet. Your gut is correct and later find out that there are some child molesters in the mix in addition to the parolees.

What do you do?

Are you satisfied that they have paid their dues to society and now have the right to live where they want?

Are you comfortable with your children playing in the street or your front yard?

Are you trusting that your local PD can and will be there to protect you and your family should you need them?

Are you mad that the landlord lied to you about renting these units monthly to people that may fall back into their life of crime?

Are you comfortable with the laws that will allow CMs to live in the same area with your family?

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I know it's a stretch between a scenario and the mosque/community center in NY, I do understand the laws/rules and the right to worship in the U.S.

I just want to see if that scenario would make anyone on the board see why the New Yorkers might be a little skittish, no matter how this CC/mosque presented to them.


Take a minute and talk amongst yourselves?

[RICHARD]

http://www.newser.com/story/98536/lo...ro-mosque.html

Now, If Ginger, Cinnamon, Jade, Diamond, Montana, Shiloh, Silk, Red, Chanel and Lexus say that they are o.k. with it?

[wombat2u2004]

http://www.newser.com/story/98536/lo...ro-mosque.html

Now, If Ginger, Cinnamon, Jade, Diamond, Montana, Shiloh, Silk, Red, Chanel and Lexus say that they are o.k. with it?

Are they still taking dollar notes tucked into their garters ??? Or has it risen to 20 dollar notes now ????

[wombat2u2004]

What's really amusing about this whole issue is that voters in Manhattan, who would be the ones living next to the mosque, are in favor of it, according to a Qiuinnipiac University poll:

Opinions about the proposed mosque range from 46 - 36 percent support among Manhattan voters

What's driving the controversy? Ad revenue for the Media. Yet another created crisis pouring advertising money into their coffers.

So....exactly where did you source that information ??? The media ??? Or did you personally count the votes ???

[Lady's Human]

So....exactly where did you source that information ??? The media ??? Or did you personally count the votes ???

Quinnipiac University polling data, which is easily available online.

The comment "Quinnipiac University Poll" comment should have been a hint..........

[wombat2u2004]

Quinnipiac University polling data, which is easily available online.

The comment "Quinnipiac University Poll" comment should have been a hint..........

Ok, so it's second or third hand information already.
What I'm saying is....you believe what someone else has written.

[Karen]

What, you do not believe poll results ever? Maybe you have never heard of Quinnipiac University, but it's a well-known and reputable school ...

[Lady's Human]

1) Quinnipiac publishes their raw data.

2) They have a very, very good reputation for their political polling and analysis.

Everything you read is something someone else has written, unless you're reading your own writing, which would be pretty damned boring after a while.

[wombat2u2004]

Listen up LH.
You can read and trust and believe whatever you like.
And so can I.
Whatever I post, you don't agree with anyway. And I end up being branded a racist, hateful and a bigot, and other words that are invented because I don't agree with some peoples opinions......k ????
So if you want to argue about politics, religion, racism, building permits or mowing the lawn.....go argue with someone else.
Really.....I'm not interested any more.

[Lady's Human]

Really.....I'm not interested any more.

For someone who's not interested you certainly make a lot of posts about US politics.

If you're not interested.........


Don't POST!

[wombat2u2004]

For someone who's not interested you certainly make a lot of posts about US politics.

If you're not interested.........


Don't POST!

Interested or not....I have that right.
You also have the right NOT to read my posts.
Do you agree to disagree with this to ????

[blue]

Interested or not....I have that right.
You also have the right NOT to read my posts.
Do you agree to disagree with this to ????

I thought you didnt believe in rights?

EDIT: Or are you too used to being the one having the Right because you have the gun? Is that why you so dislike Americans, because we have the Right to defend ourselves from the Tyrannical advance of our Government?

[wombat2u2004]

I thought you didnt believe in rights?

????????? Have I ever said that ???

"Or are you too used to being the one having the Right because you have the gun?"

I have a gun ????

"Is that why you so dislike Americans ???"

I dislike Americans ???

Can I have your sources please ?????

[blue]

Allow me to respond and to correct your posting ineptitude in the same post.

I thought you didnt believe in rights?

????????? Have I ever said that ???

You have, you said...

Too bad.

Nuff said.

"Or are you too used to being the one having the Right because you have the gun?"

I have a gun ????

What kind of bad a$$ soldier would you have been without a firearm?

"Is that why you so dislike Americans ???"

I dislike Americans ???

You havent shown us any love, in fact you disrespect us more often then not.

Can I have your sources please ?????

Search your own posts. Those are my sources.