Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

[Bonny]

I am not being HATEFUL AS YOU LIKE TO PUT IT KAREN. Everyone else can come on here & speak their peace. 911 should just be ignored it was a big mistake. We are called Infidels lets just ignore that. The real men & women are fighting a war the rest of us can just sit around & twiddling our thumbs while our government plays chess with our men & women fighting the war. Checkmate!

[wombat2u2004]

I am not being HATEFUL AS YOU LIKE TO PUT IT KAREN. Everyone else can come on here & speak their peace. 911 should just be ignored it was a big mistake. We are called Infidels lets just ignore that. The real men & women are fighting a war the rest of us can just sit around & twiddling our thumbs while our government plays chess with our men & women fighting the war. Checkmate!

No Bonny, you are not being hateful. You are just frustrated at the inability of your elected pollies and the apathetic majority who choose to sweep the silent invasion under the mat.
And a silent invasion it is. Just take a look around the world, and see what Islam has done to other countries. Persecuting Christians is written right there in the Koran.....go read it.....it's got some REAL interesting stuff in it.
But.....we are hit time and time again by the old "Mars Attacks" routine..."We come in peace...We come in peace".
Islam HATES America, and HATES what it stands for....always has.
I'll give the good old USA about 20 or 30 years, enough time for the Muslim immigrants and their breeding habits to get the numbers up, and vote their own into power. Then the Constitution and it's Amendments, including your own Separation of the Powers won't be worth the paper they are written on. You will have Sharia Law, and your country will be run accordingly. There will be no Freedom of Religion....if you are Christian or anything else other than Muslim, you will be disadvantaged.

I think where Karen goes wrong, is where she states "One of the founding principles of our country is separation of church and state, and every American is free to pursue the religion of his or her choice."
It's all about integration.
Are Scandanavian people allowed to marry Jews and each retain their own religion ??? Yes.
Are Mexican Catholics allowed to marry a WASP's, and each retain their own religion ??? Yes.
Are Muslims allowed to marry Christians and each retain their own religion ???
No!!!

[wombat2u2004]

the United States of Muslimham.

Hee hee.......starting with Muslimcheusetts

[RICHARD]

But.....we are hit time and time again by the old "Mars Attacks" routine..."We come in peace...We come in peace".

You mean Maaahhh, maaah, maaaah, maaaah.

Something gets lost in the translation.


Jim Brown's "GF" in the movie was hot.

[wombat2u2004]

Jim Brown's "GF" in the movie was hot.

Awwwwwwwwwww....yeah.

[Karen]

Hee hee.......starting with Muslimcheusetts

What do you know about my state - just what the right-wing media portrays?

What is the most common religion here, do you know? Do you have a clue?

Why the heck would you even say "Muslimcheusetts" - have you any clue what it is like to live here?

And Bonny, stating that all Muslims should move out of this country is hateful.

How dare you say that anyone thinks 9/11 should be ignored? How many people you know personally were killed that day? How many screams of personal anguish did you hear that day?

How am I any less a real woman than anyone else?

How many family members do you have currently serving in the military? How many who have served but are now retired?

And wombat, why do you care to cast aspersions on our country, and never comment on your own politicians? You know, there are Muslims in Australia, too ... as well as other non-Christians ...

[wombat2u2004]

A new America is coming


It isn't about subjugation.....it's about RESPECT !!!!!
And if you don't agree, you'll be stoned to death.

[Bonny]

I don't call that HATEFUL if you can't learn the language, obey the laws, pay the taxes, it would be expected of me if I moved into a Muslim ruled country. If they live here they are going to have to obey the Infidels rules & laws. Should we open our doors & say come on in do whatever you want we will obey your every whim? That is happening already & with our border to the South, congress is doing nothing to enforce our border, our president passes the buck & is leaving it to congress. Our country is a mess borrowing money from China & other countries to put us further into debt. Do come up with something the Muslim people have done for our country that is positive? When our families came to America they had to conform to the laws there were no exceptions made. Do you think they would make exceptions if I went & lived in their country? 911 is being ignored when a Mosque is to be built next door it is an insult a slap in the face for those who have died & their families.

[Puckstop31]

I count the Amendments as part of the totality of the Constitution.
As for where to move, well, you'd have to pick which kind of religion you'd like to follow. If you want a place that's entirely - or even mostly one religion, there's Vatican City and its environs, for Catholic, Saudi Arabia for Muslim, Armenia for Armenian Apostolic, Greece for Greek Orthodox - The Scandinavian countries for Lutheran - though there you'd still have to put up with more than 10% non-Lutherans ...

I understand that the Amendments are part of the entire Constitution. Why did you need to mention that?


Also the "move" comment was a retorical question. I'm not leaving this country. It is the last stand on Earth for Liberty.

All this being said... I stand by my comments that "separation of church and state" is NOT a founding principle. Freedom to worship as one chooses IS.

[RICHARD]

Are Mexican Catholics allowed to marry a WASP's, and each retain their own religion ??? Yes.

That depends,
The males don't care, Mexican women will wear you down until you become a Catholic.

And you know what that means? Making your own tortillas and lunch if you do not knuckle under....

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This topic has really nothing to do with religion or church and state.

It has to do with compassion and sensibility.

There are components of both sides that have neither.

As the media and people here have commented...

Would we allow the Japanese to put a Shinto Shrine on the deck of the USS Arizona?

Would the Jews be allowed a synagogue at Auschwitz?

Would we put a McDonalds or Starbucks in Hiroshima or Nagasaki? We probably already have.....

This has to do with respect and not wanting to make YOUR religion/country or politics seem like an uncaring, brutal and just plain mean and nasty import to our country.

The Asshat that wants to build the mosque close to GZ shows no compassion or any of the other common senses that I described, that is the way, not so much of the typical Muslim, but of the AHs refuse to allow modern sensibility or meeting at the middle point of the problem.

I have know muslims that were so patently pious, but did not respect the people or the country (ours) that they live in.

SOME muslim men beat down the females to dress a certain way, not to talk to men etc. Yet, they have no problem with cheating, looking at porn or drinking like fish.

Those are the two faced morons who cast a bad light on the rest of the group that do have compassion, common sense and respect for other people.

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On the other hand?

When the reports of the Anti-mosque groups begin to pull some kind of shenanigans before, during and after it's built?

Well, TS, some of us asked you not to build there our of respect for the moment and area.

You didn't listen, so bite the bullet.

They (the idiots that feel the need to build the mosque) will use any and all problems they encounter as fodder to crucify us in the world forum of public opinion.

I know that sponsors of the mosque snicker and laugh because OUR rules allow them to build, what is essentially an EFF U to what we endured then and now.

So,
We'll have to play by the rules concerning this building, but we should not treat them with anymore apathy than we do with other sites that recruit, endorse or support any kind of fanatic terrorist morons that want to set up shop.


Plus, the Muslims that think this is a bad idea have not come forth to say, "Dude, some morons that made us look stupid then are the reason we
are being told that we should not build a mosque in the area...'


So we have to look at this as more of a political statement-not a religious one.

I am sure there are some Muslims that cringe when they heard the news.....I don't care about them. It's the Iman Imax Tabbouleh that makes me a little leary of the whole process.

Sometimes you just cannot trust the guy in charge, Look at the Catholics and the priests...

[Medusa]

What I don't understand is why they're so insistent on the mosque being there and not somewhere else. They say that it should promote compassion and understanding and should build a bridge between their culture and ours. Well, surely they can see that it's caused a furor, that too many Americans oppose it and do not want it. So it's having the opposite effect. Yes, we already know that it's their right to build there but this is more than just an issue of rights. The fact that they refuse to back down and build it elsewhere, especially when there are over 100 mosques in NYC already, it makes me wonder what their real agenda is.

[Cataholic]

Must be us Ohioians...as I see it like ^^ does.

[RICHARD]

And the prez shoots his piehole off and spends the rest of the weekend backpedaling, like the guy who rides a bicycle backwards at the circus.

"That's not what I meant!"

LOLOLOLOL,

Just open up a dialogue with your enemies. While you are at the table talking, the other side has broken the side window of your car parked outside and taken a dump on the front seat.

Mr Obama,

You can drive the car back home, I am taking the bus.

[lizbud]

I understand that the Amendments are part of the entire Constitution. Why did you need to mention that?


Also the "move" comment was a retorical question. I'm not leaving this country. It is the last stand on Earth for Liberty.

All this being said... I stand by my comments that "separation of church and state" is NOT a founding principle. Freedom to worship as one chooses IS.

Last edited by Puckstop31; Today at 11:54 AM. Reason: Sorry Karen, I was stupidly mean.

I'm glad you finally edited your post. It's never a good idea to poke the bear. Yes, even if you don't get the answers you want to hear.

[lizbud]

Richard,

I agree with you saying..............

" This topic has really nothing to do with religion or church and state.

It has to do with compassion and sensibility.

There are components of both sides that have neither.

As the media and people here have commented...

Would we allow the Japanese to put a Shinto Shrine on the deck of the USS Arizona?

Would the Jews be allowed a synagogue at Auschwitz?

Would we put a McDonalds or Starbucks in Hiroshima or Nagasaki? We probably already have.....

This has to do with respect and not wanting to make YOUR religion/country or politics seem like an uncaring, brutal and just plain mean and nasty import to our country.

The Asshat that wants to build the mosque close to GZ shows no compassion or any of the other common senses that I described, that is the way, not so much of the typical Muslim, but of the AHs refuse to allow modern sensibility or meeting at the middle point of the problem.

I have know muslims that were so patently pious, but did not respect the people or the country (ours) that they live in."



I don't know how much the Islam culture is influenced by it's religion,
but I'd say a lot. In fact, I can't distinquish between their culture and their
religious views. Maybe they are just not a compassionate people in the
Western way of thinking.??