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[Daisy and Delilah]

Can I just rant for a minute?

My primary care physician is affiliated with a big tertiary hospital system. I had to change doctors when my former primary care physician's practice (and all the physicians affiliated with the four hospitals in that system) dropped out of the UnitedHealthcare network. I chose based upon geography.

One specialist is with a different hospital system - again, based on geography and the network.

The other specialist is with yet another hospital system - when I started with him he was in the provider network, but they are dropping out effective 11/1/09.

And I get prescriptions at Walgreens, which is affiliated with none of them, of course.

None of these talk to each other. It is up to me to remember to tell each one what the other one said, and try to keep everything straight. Walgreens is actually a huge help in getting this done. This is a gol-durn pain! Health care reformers --- puhleeze make this easier for me!

Amen!!!! Elyse, you're so right. This is what bothers me every day.

We try to keep them straight and most of mine act like they really don't care what I'm trying to do. Nothing except paying the bills of course.

[Cataholic]

Forgive me if I've quoted this from a body of research. I believe this to be a statement made by you, Marigold, correct?

If this is from you, I think this is a very broad statement. This tells me that women without a man need to get help from outside sources because they can't make it on their own?

This is how I see Marigold's post. Some people find much comfort in tradition, the old way, etc. So, when someone else does something that is in opposition to that, it is threatening to that person's belief system. That person, with the threatened belief system *must* come out swinging in order to 'stay on top'. AND, that is totally okay, as we must all do what feels right or best for us. But, it shouldn't be that in order for one to feel better about ones' self, that one needs to make others feel bad.

Now, for the record, I do not 'believe' in marriage, per se. I mean, if you find that one special person, that is a wonderful, fantastic thing. And, I support you in your legally binding contract of marriage. But, that doesn't mean it is for me. Marriage is a state issue first and foremost- though many also have it religiously blessed.

I feel no 'need' to be married. I believe in other countries, "marriage" is less prevelant than here- but, I have not any research to link.

Many, many women find themselves in marriages that frankly- should anything happen to the male, will be in deep doo doo should the marriage fail. That would keep me up at night, fraught with worry. I think ALL people should be able to stand on their own two feed and provide for those they either bring into the world- or aquire along the way.

The larger issue I have with Marigold's 'research' (and I am not speaking solely of this thread, as she has made these comments at other times) is the large brush, and largely anti- human comments she makes about those she sees underneath her, status wise.

Insurance (LOL, I am pulling it back into topic) should be available to all. Even that poor guy that called her, asking about CareSource. I can imagine his frustration.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Marigold,

Up to this point in time I have stayed out of the fuss at you. I thought - "she's just somebody who says whatever comes into her head without thinking of the consequences."

But then you posted quotes from "news sources" inlcluding this...

But then Asians are too successful and don't form the permanent cheap-labor and welfare underclass so desired by big business and liberals.

It struck me as curious. Big business and liberals? Liberals wanting a permanent cheap-labor and welfare underclass?

So I did some research. I found where it came from. The blog of one really odd guy. Hard to figure exactly where he is coming from but one thing is overwhelmingly clear. He is a good old-fashioned racist. Not the "modern" kind of racist who sighs and says "one of my best friends is black" - but the real down home kind. (He likes Jews, dislikes fundamental Christians, hates government medical programs even though that is the only way his wife can get medical care, hates liberals, hates enviornmentalist, hates creationist - are you seeing a pattern here??) What you posted was his conclusions. I wish I knew how to wash my computer after having his words on it.

I am hoping you did a search and found that quote - pasting it in haste. I am hoping you did not look at the source.

If I am correct, I would encourage you to be more careful in quoting "news sources." Just because it is on the web doesn't not make it a "news source" nor credible.

If you did know from whom you were quoting - well I don't even want to go there - just too disgusting.

[Daisy and Delilah]

This is how I see Marigold's post. Some people find much comfort in tradition, the old way, etc. So, when someone else does something that is in opposition to that, it is threatening to that person's belief system. That person, with the threatened belief system *must* come out swinging in order to 'stay on top'. AND, that is totally okay, as we must all do what feels right or best for us. But, it shouldn't be that in order for one to feel better about ones' self, that one needs to make others feel bad.

Now, for the record, I do not 'believe' in marriage, per se. I mean, if you find that one special person, that is a wonderful, fantastic thing. And, I support you in your legally binding contract of marriage. But, that doesn't mean it is for me. Marriage is a state issue first and foremost- though many also have it religiously blessed.

I feel no 'need' to be married. I believe in other countries, "marriage" is less prevelant than here- but, I have not any research to link.

Many, many women find themselves in marriages that frankly- should anything happen to the male, will be in deep doo doo should the marriage fail. That would keep me up at night, fraught with worry. I think ALL people should be able to stand on their own two feed and provide for those they either bring into the world- or aquire along the way.

The larger issue I have with Marigold's 'research' (and I am not speaking solely of this thread, as she has made these comments at other times) is the large brush, and largely anti- human comments she makes about those she sees underneath her, status wise.

Insurance (LOL, I am pulling it back into topic) should be available to all. Even that poor guy that called her, asking about CareSource. I can imagine his frustration.

In the past, I've seen broad statements made by Marigold. Thanks for explaining this so well, Cataholic. To tell you the truth, this is exactly what I was thinking.

This statement is really hard to believe. Marigold, where are you getting these ideas of your's? I raised my children alone and they turned out remarkably well totally without welfare. Welfare never crossed my mind. I would gladly let you speak to both of them and perhaps they could shed some light on your twisted view of the subject. To me, you imply that a woman needs a man to survive. I am guessing what's next is that you think all the children of single parents are ignorant and uneducated. Does that sound unrealistic? So does your statement I quoted.

Some of the statements you make are utterly ridiculous. This is one of them. As you would like us to believe, I suppose, you have been fortunate to live a perfect life with the perfect family unit in a place that has been nothing but perfect. Every time someone tries to point out how off base you are, you have a fit over why people are disagreeing with you. I can only believe that you do this for sport. Surely you don't really support these comments do you?

Heaven forbid you should ever need help. I simply don't know how you're going to try to get it, you being of the upper crust, you know? After the Appalachian thread, I said I would never enter this territory again. However, the quote I listed was far too tempting to not at least ask about it.

Question: The guy that asked you about CareSource::with an answer like the one he gave, there had to be something to provoke him. Ya think? I'm sure we'll never hear the rest of that story.

I have to add this; sometimes you seem to be on a fairly decent path and BOOM, you blurt out another one of your questionable, opinionated, extremely broad, statements. Some of the things you say make some sense. It's too bad you so quickly negate all the good you may have done with one of your bloopers.

[Marigold2]

I did not provoke that man who asked about Care Source. I was totally professional. I simply said to him,"I am sorry sir, we do not take that insurance". He was probably upset and frustrated because some Dr's don't take that insurance in their private practice as it does not pay enough to sustain an office.
As for saying a women needs a man to live a good life, you totally missed my point. My point was that a women should not go into motherhood until she has had her chance to live, explore, educate her life. I don't believe a single woman or a gay couple is any better or worst then a married couple in raising a child. My point was and always has been that I don't think that a young women should think that motherhood is the be all end all of her life. Having a baby at 15 or 19 when one is without education, money saved or a chance to experience life, to travel to volenteer, to know one self, to reach ones goals is often missing out on so much. To have your 20's to yourself and enjoy life, break a couple hearts, get to really know yourself and your stenghts. Not all women feel that way when they are young but many do later. I would like to see more women wait until they are 30 and have had some fun and some experience before bringing a child into this world and have some knowledge and wisdom to give said child. That was my point.

[Cataholic]

Nice revision! I am sure it was the 5 or 6 of us that totally misunderstood what you were saying, rather than you posting some rather absurd things.

[pomtzu]

Yes Marigold - you're right and the rest of us are all wrong.

And as far as the young women you say should explore, save money, travel, educate, spend on themselves, etc..............that's probably not an option for most. It would be nice to live that fairy tale life, but unless they are fortunate enough to have the resources to do so, then it ain't gonna' happen!!

[Edwina's Secretary]

To have your 20's to yourself and enjoy life, break a couple hearts, get to really know yourself and your stenghts. Not all women feel that way when they are young but many do later. I would like to see more women wait until they are 30 and have had some fun and some experience before bringing a child into this world and have some knowledge and wisdom to give said child. That was my point.

I try and not make decisions or judgements about how others live their life. It is enough to take care of my own. There are lots of things I might like to see other people do but I am just thinking they are probably not interested in my opinion. I think people who have 19 children are...well whatever.

...do you have an explanation for quoting from a blog that is totally and completely racist and offensive??

Is that something that should be experienced as well?

[Marigold2]

ES I posted several different stats. It was not my intention to just post one point of view but several. It was up to the PT people to offer their opinion,there by getting a cross section opinion from over the world and different ages and economic levels. That is why I kept asking others to post stats as well. Here are some facts now lets have opinions. Just as the judge in the south will not let the bi-racial couple get married there are different thoughts accross different areas of the country. I don't believe the judge is dumb or evil it's just the way he was brought up. He doesn't even think what he is doing is wrong. But to us, it's just disgusting. Being racist is a opinion and what you and I find wrong others do not.
Anyway......
As for young girls being able to travel and have fun. It is my hope that young women are able to. Men have so many oppertunites. For my daughter and her friends I hope and pray that they get the chance to do all those wonderful things before getting married and having children. Getting an education and being able to take care of one self is such a joy.
Getting your own apartment, painting the whole thing pink if you want, not having to ask a man what he wants for dinner, having to fold his cloths, or spending your weekend doing what he wants. Learning to be truly your own person. Those first few nights alone, begin afraid of sounds in the middle of the night, going home to an empty apartment on a cold, dark night. Scary, but then you do it and you find such strength and pride that you can take care of yourself. You are a strong, single independent women and the world is yours to take. Sat mornings laying in bed with three men, Ben and Jerry and Steve King. Oh heavely!!
Once you live alone for a year you find strength, confidence, courage you never knew you had plus a huge dose of pride.
If you go back to some of my old posts you will see that I have always said I believe a young girl should wait to have children. I don't think that having a baby in the teens or early 20's is an ideal situation. I have always been for women's rights. For any person man, women, black, white, straight, gay making their life the best they can, educating themselves so that they can take care of themselves and live a productive life. No one grows up saving I want to be poor, hungrey, and cold. We all have hopes and dreams and everyone is entitled to them.
Education is the key, with education nothing is impossible. I don't think that bringing a child into the world when you are not capable of taking care of yourself is good especially the child.
Children should be able to look up to their parents, have pride in them, have them as role models but when they are too young and uneducated the children start out with strikes against them. No child needs that.

[Edwina's Secretary]

A four month old - breastfed baby is uninsurable due to "pre-existing condition" - he is too fat!

Too fat baby???

[Edwina's Secretary]

Marigold - you evade my question. And I understand why. I would not want to admit I had given a shred of credence to that horrible man.

But you did.

[caseysmom]

I try and not make decisions or judgements about how others live their life. It is enough to take care of my own. There are lots of things I might like to see other people do but I am just thinking they are probably not interested in my opinion. I think people who have 19 children are...well whatever.

...do you have an explanation for quoting from a blog that is totally and completely racist and offensive??

Is that something that should be experienced as well?

This is the key to the whole thing to me, your first sentence is how I believe we should all live our lives.

[Edwina's Secretary]

There is something in this recent discussion that is bothering me.

There was a thread in the last couple of weeks about a celebrity who was being blackmailed.

One poster referred to the son of this celebrity using a pejorative - because the parents were not married at the time of the child's birth. I tried to respond using the same pejorative for the grandson of a recently failed politician. But I just could not hit the enter key.

I don't think children should be labeled because of their parents. I don't think this dated word should be used today. It is demeaning and irrelevant.

I thought someone else would say something. But no one did. And I wonder why?

[Lady's Human]

But to us, it's just disgusting. Being racist is a opinion and what you and I find wrong others do not.

No, racism is wrong. Period. It's not an opinion.

Anyway......
As for young girls being able to travel and have fun. It is my hope that young women are able to. Men have so many oppertunites.

MEN have so many opportunities?

And women don't???????

For my daughter and her friends I hope and pray that they get the chance to do all those wonderful things before getting married and having children.

They have the chance. Whether they choose to do so or not is entirely up to them, and has nothing to do with their choices being limited by society.

Getting an education and being able to take care of one self is such a joy.
Getting your own apartment, painting the whole thing pink if you want, not having to ask a man what he wants for dinner, having to fold his cloths, or spending your weekend doing what he wants.

Excuse me? As was asked so eloquently in the title of another thread, what century are you living in?


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Once you live alone for a year you find strength, confidence, courage you never knew you had plus a huge dose of pride.

Again, what is preventing them from doing this? If they can't it's most likely their choices, regardless of their economic status.

If you go back to some of my old posts you will see that I have always said I believe a young girl should wait to have children. I don't think that having a baby in the teens or early 20's is an ideal situation. I have always been for women's rights.

Again, what is preventing them from doing this? If they can't it's most likely their choices, regardless of their economic status.

For any person man, women, black, white, straight, gay making their life the best they can, educating themselves so that they can take care of themselves and live a productive life. No one grows up saving I want to be poor, hungrey, and cold. We all have hopes and dreams and everyone is entitled to them.

I don't see why you included men in that, because as you stated already, Men have so many opportunities!

Didn't know we had regressed to the point of repealing women's rights.