Government run health care

[Marigold2]

My post did not include those millions that had lost their jobs. It had to do with those that abuse the system. Those that take monies from deserving vets, the elderly or those that are truly ill and need money to live a decent and honorable life. We give money to teenage moms to care for their chidren instead of trying to convince them to give those children up for adoption. We need to educate young girls on the joys of life and education. Having babies is a wonderful thing but doesn't always remain so. Teenage girls should be thinking about school, purses, travel, what color nail polish to use and their future in this world. Not being a mom, they are children themselves and we the mom's and dad's should be helping them along. I love my grandkids but don't want to raise them. I raised mine and loved it but now it's me time. My friends have children who have children and they spend every free minute and dime helping them when they are barely making it themselves. Their grandchildren are beautiful and precious and they love them oh so much but they worry about themselves. Their parents are getting older, they are stuck in the middle between parents, children and grandchildren. They should never be in this postion. Even with their great love for their grandchildren I understand their concerns. They will have no retirement, no savings. No one to help them. They will spend years taking care of their mom and dad and their children and grandchidlren. Their children instead of taking steps to protect themselves against pregency have made generations take a new look at themselves and how they will servive. And this is in the best of families, in others the young girls are tossed out or not helped because the parents don't care or can't help. It's tragic all the way around.
I am home today not feeling well. I usually don't spend much time on PT not because I don't enjoy it but it's just that I am busy with family, friends and fun.

I don't know if this is addressed to me or caseysmom, but it hardly applies to me - a 65 year old retiree!

But you made some rather unfounded statements in Post #1 which I called you on, and you never answered sensibly. You stated that being on welfare means that you have declared yourself physically and mentally unable to care for yourself and you're asking the government to pay your bills. You never could answer where the unemployed person that perhaps needs some temporary help, fits in to your statement. Are they physically and/or mentally unable?? Doubtful - since they likely wouldn't have had a job in the first place. So you just saw fit to disappear for a while, and hope my question would be forgotten. Remember that?????

[Lady's Human]

1/3 of births are out of wedlock...........

In no way, shape or form does that mean 1/3 of babies are born to mothers on welfare.

[Marigold2]

Yes I did say that was incorrect unless I find other info.

[Lady's Human]

As I've mentioned to other posters on here, Marigold, when you find yourself in a hole, the first step you need to take is put down the shovel.

[Marigold2]

My broad generalizations are pulled from the leading news agencies. Do you take offense when reading a Time Magazine a newspaper? There are stats for every economic class, every religon, every ethic group, male, female, gay, straight, old, young, rich, poor and thousands of others. It's a gathering of info that is meant to be shared, studied and hopefully understand that we as a people can gain knowledge and improve. Every soul on this earth belongs to these stats and every one can be offened if they so choose by some of the findings. But why? It is what it is.
Should I take offense at findings that put Germans at fault for something or another. No. What about my religon? If people say something negitive I don't take it personally, they could very well be right. It's not perfect, nothing is.

[caseysmom]

Its funny how many times you mention your German ancestry on here, I have been a member for years and years and never felt the need to mention my German roots, who cares?

[Lady's Human]

Statistics can easily be twisted to fit the outcome that the person conducting the is trying to prove. Without the raw data to be able to crosscheck, they're fairly useless.

Time Magazine is hardly a "leading news source". It is a highly editorialized news magazine in which the articles are more editorial than information. They start out with a premise and then gather the data to fit their facts.

[pomtzu]

My post did not include those millions that had lost their jobs. It had to do with those that abuse the system. Those that take monies from deserving vets, the elderly or those that are truly ill and need money to live a decent and honorable life. We give money to teenage moms to care for their chidren instead of trying to convince them to give those children up for adoption. We need to educate young girls on the joys of life and education. Having babies is a wonderful thing but doesn't always remain so. Teenage girls should be thinking about school, purses, travel, what color nail polish to use and their future in this world. Not being a mom, they are children themselves and we the mom's and dad's should be helping them along. I love my grandkids but don't want to raise them. I raised mine and loved it but now it's me time. My friends have children who have children and they spend every free minute and dime helping them when they are barely making it themselves. Their grandchildren are beautiful and precious and they love them oh so much but they worry about themselves. Their parents are getting older, they are stuck in the middle between parents, children and grandchildren. They should never be in this postion. Even with their great love for their grandchildren I understand their concerns. They will have no retirement, no savings. No one to help them. They will spend years taking care of their mom and dad and their children and grandchidlren. Their children instead of taking steps to protect themselves against pregency have made generations take a new look at themselves and how they will servive. And this is in the best of families, in others the young girls are tossed out or not helped because the parents don't care or can't help. It's tragic all the way around.
I am home today not feeling well. I usually don't spend much time on PT not because I don't enjoy it but it's just that I am busy with family, friends and fun.

Perhaps you need to say what you mean, but I have no doubt that you meant exactly what you said in the beginning posts. Saying now that you weren't referring to people who have lost their jobs is just your way of trying to back out - but I believe that was already mentioned here too. You were quite adamant about what you said about being physically or mentally unable. See post #12 where you said "what other option is there". But this comes from a person who also thinks that the government is doing a great job with Medicare too.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Oh my!!!!!

The other big demographic nightmare is Hispanics whose illegitimacy rates, dropout rates, crime rates, etc. could overtake blacks in a few years. Their population (legal and illegal) is exploding in this region as well as they are used by cheap-labor employers to displace poor whites and blacks from their jobs and further depress wages. It would make more sense to deport as many illegal aliens (mainly Hispanic) as possible and secure our borders, while allowing much higher immigration levels from East Asia and Europe. But then Asians are too successful and don't form the permanent cheap-labor and welfare underclass so desired by big business and liberals.

Eugenics anyone?

Although I have to say this is the first time in my life I have seen anyone suggest that "big business" and "liberals" have a common goal!

[Cinder & Smoke]

Marigold, when you find yourself in a hole,

the first step you need to take is put down the shovel.

She got it, LH ...

If you'll notice, she's got the BACKHOE fired up and dirt's a-flyin!

[cassiesmom]

Can I just rant for a minute?

My primary care physician is affiliated with a big tertiary hospital system. I had to change doctors when my former primary care physician's practice (and all the physicians affiliated with the four hospitals in that system) dropped out of the UnitedHealthcare network. I chose based upon geography.

One specialist is with a different hospital system - again, based on geography and the network.

The other specialist is with yet another hospital system - when I started with him he was in the provider network, but they are dropping out effective 11/1/09.

And I get prescriptions at Walgreens, which is affiliated with none of them, of course.

None of these talk to each other. It is up to me to remember to tell each one what the other one said, and try to keep everything straight. Walgreens is actually a huge help in getting this done. This is a gol-durn pain! Health care reformers --- puhleeze make this easier for me!

[blue]

So now paying into UI is Pork? Please explain the stretch of logic that being forced to pay into something and then getting something back is laundering money, Ild love to see that spin.

White post here.

[Daisy and Delilah]

Unmarried women are much more likely to be on welfare, not all but most.

Forgive me if I've quoted this from a body of research. I believe this to be a statement made by you, Marigold, correct?

If this is from you, I think this is a very broad statement. This tells me that women without a man need to get help from outside sources because they can't make it on their own?

[Cinder & Smoke]

None of these talk to each other.

It is up to me to remember to tell each one what the other one said,
and try to keep everything straight.

They don't TRY to talk to each other;
nor do they bother to read the NOTE, Letters, and Reports that get passed around.

I have a Cardiologist, a De-Fib Doc (my electrician), and a Kidney Doc.
All in different offices; all practice in the same Hospitals;
and theyall KNOW each other ... heck, they used to do Rounds together
when I was hospitalized.

What one does effects the Other Docs' parts of me ... they NEED to know
what each other is 'doing to me'.
When I see one of 'em, he/she writes a report on the office visit and SENDS
it to the other two. Sounds great --- everybody reads the same page.

And what happens to said report?? A Bean Counter opens it, reads it and
makes the decision (based on who knows what) to either FILE it in my
history file OR send it to the Doc for his/her personal review.

Can't tell you how many times I've visited Doc #1 and asked if he's seen
anything from Docs #2 or #3. The answer is almost ALWAYS that
"NO, haven't seen anything 'lately'."

THEN we peek into my file ... and #1 stumbles upon the Report his office
got and FILED AWAY a month or two ago from #2 or #3.

What's wrong with this picture?

[Edwina's Secretary]

You guys are making the case for getting technology into medical records! Less mistakes, greater ability and ease to share information.

By the way...I do love easy quizzes. I have been asked above UI...Unemployment Insurance.

Unemployment Insurance is a tax employers pay based on their experience rating. As in medical insurance, the more claims made against an employer (people who worked for the employer during the base period and then make a claim for unemployment for reason beyond the employee's ability to control) the higher the rate of tax paid by the employer.

Employees do not pay into Unemployment Insurance. Employers do.

And, in periods of high unemployment, as we are currently, the federal government supplements the funds that are paid out to the unemployed.

And that ain't no spin...