When third graders attack.....

[dukedogsmom]

Exactly - and there have been studies done that say that kids don't completely understand the difference between 'real' and 'fantasy' until age 16

When you make a statement like that, you need to post facts to back it up. That's ridiculous! I knew real from fantasy way before then and I know I'm not the only one.

[DJFyrewolf36]

When you make a statement like that, you need to post facts to back it up. That's ridiculous! I knew real from fantasy way before then and I know I'm not the only one.

Thats why I asked for some info, I didn't think I was that unusual lol. I watched horror films from the time I was six. Probibly not "healthy" by todays standards but maybe because of that I can laugh at those kind of films now knowing that they aren't in any way real.
My mom got me into reading true crime books when I was about 8 or so. Those cases I KNEW were real, and real concequences happened. Kind of gave me a good grip on things I think, although my hubby says I shouldn't read such depressing literature lol.

[mugsy]

This is an excellent point on why we DON'T allow backpacks in the classrooms where I teach. I know my sister, who adopted a meth baby who is now 9, checks his pack every morning before he leaves...not necessarily for weapons, but, to make sure he has all of his things. I'm just SO glad I don't have kids...I would lose my mind!
While, I'm sure, the kids had outside influences, the fact remains they brought the things to school with an intent...and it wasn't good! I have no idea what kind of background these kids came from and in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter, what does matter is that it happened. It speaks volumes of today's society.

[Jessika]

Well, I'm not exactly a parent from "back when", since I have three school-aged kids at home. I would be VERY surprised to hear ANY parent say they checked their 8 year olds packpack for weapons. Honestly now.

So, are you saying children who go to a babysitter or daycare are uncared for and not talked to, by default? Really now?

No one, as far as I have heard, knows ANYthing about the home environments, employment status or age of these kids' parents.

I think you are reading MUCH too far into what I'm saying. Obviously I am not sayin that all parents who take their kids to daycare are neglectful, come on now. However I have worked in the daycare environment to know that it DOES happen, a lot more than anyone would like to admit. Some parents would be waiting at 6:30 for our doors to open, and then be late to pick them up at 7:00 at night. To these kids, we WERE their parents, and they did not want to leave. Some of those parents also expected us to potty train them and teach them things that should have been time spent bonding with their parents, not bonding with us.

I never said parents should check the bookbags *every day*, but I DID say that parents should be instilling good morals and values into their children's lives and teaching them right from wrong and sending them down the pathway to be able to make the right decisions on their own. And simply TALKING to their children, asking them how their day was, what is going on in their lives, some parents don't even do THAT nowdays.

I don't understand why you imply my post was an attack on *every* parent???

EDIT: And may I reiterate, in my previous post (including this one) I was speaking in loose generalities about this situation IN GENERAL, I am not speaking specifically about these particular parents, because you are correct, I do not know what their home life is like to pass judgment based on it. But I am speaking of a lot of parents nowadays, some I know personally.

[Twisterdog]

I think you are reading MUCH too far into what I'm saying....
I don't understand why you imply my post was an attack on *every* parent???

I apoligize if I read too much into your statement. Just seemed you were over-generalizing a bit when you said:

times have changed, when I was younger parents were actually around to parent and raise their own children versus dumping them off at a babysitter, school function, or daycare. Parents would ask their children about what happened at school, how their day went, and make small talk because they actually cared. Nowdays that hardly happens because, as someone mentioned previously, most parents are still pretty much kids themselves!!!

[Jessika]

I apoligize if I read too much into your statement. Just seemed you were over-generalizing a bit when you said:

To re-clarify, if I may, as far as loose-generalizations go I would moreso be speaking from my own experiences with my own generation... most parents in my generation are still kids themselves... especially in the area I grew up... it's almost disgusting... however I know there are exceptions to everything, but I am speaking in generalities lol.

[cyber-sibes]

We were talking about this over lunch today with friends - unbelievable, isn't it? But I disgree:

... They depend on the teachers and police to raise their kids.

A big part of the problem is that teachers are NOT ALLOWED to discipline kids in the classroom anymore. It's not like when we were kids & you were expected to show respect to adults in authority (who were entrusted to provide consequences for your misbehavior) For Pete's sake, these kids hatched this plot because a teacher reprimanded them for standing on the chair? What's next - will they plan to kill a parent who tells them not to stand on the furniture at home?

[Reachoutrescue]

This is so horrible. My son is in 3rd grade so this really bothers me. These kids are so young...where do they get this from? They are only 8 and 9.....what are they going to be like when they are 15 and 16? I really hope something is done for them before it is too late.

[RICHARD]

I don't have kids, so fire away....

When I was growing up we didn't have ALPHABET KIDS.

THose are the children with ADD, ADHD, PSP, DVD, TMOBiIE and all the other good letters that have defined them in the last few years.

In the Bad old days kids were taken aside, talked to, given the proper guidance-or a swift arse kicking if need be.

The rules of Mixed Martial Arts apply here, No biting, hair pulling, eye gouging, punches to the back of the head and no kicking while the child is down.

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The bleeding hearts will say that the kids are too young, too effed up, not old enough to take the fall for their little plot.

I say toss them into a camp or home-somewhere they can get a little structure in their lives.

Can you imagine the outrage if they had done this to one of the mothers in the group?

There would be fire and brimstone set against the world. The parents would ban together and drive that family out of the community.

ANd that brings me to the teacher.

She gets no support or any kind of sympathy from the community.

It shows you the effing respect we have for anyone in command-teachers especially. We send the kids to school to learn and when they act like animals
everyone jumps to their side and blames the system.

We look at Generation X and Y....Gen Z is coming up soon and after that we'll have to invent letters for the little AHs that we have no control over.

Me? I'm glad I don't have problems with kids.


One cat is enough for me!

[mugsy]

I don't have kids, so fire away....

When I was growing up we didn't have ALPHABET KIDS.

THose are the children with ADD, ADHD, PSP, DVD, TMOBiIE and all the other good letters that have defined them in the last few years.

In the Bad old days kids were taken aside, talked to, given the proper guidance-or a swift arse kicking if need be.


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ANd that brings me to the teacher.

She gets no support or any kind of sympathy from the community.

It shows you the effing respect we have for anyone in command-teachers especially. We send the kids to school to learn and when they act like animals
everyone jumps to their side and blames the system.

Ok, I said I wasn't going to comment anymore on this, but, Richard's response made me do it!

1. My 8th graders were talking about it today (they found that more interesting than the 8 murders in a week here) and thought it was FUNNY! That speaks volumes for our society.

2. In reference to the Alphabet Kids...my favorite is ODD...opposition defiance disorder...in my youth that child would be called exactly what his is...a SPOILED BRAT who needs a good swift kick in the butt.

3. In reference to Richard's comments on the lack of support for teachers...I have only one thing to say.... RICHARD...WOULD YOU MARRY ME???

[RICHARD]

3. In reference to Richard's comments on the lack of support for teachers...I have only one thing to say.... RICHARD...WOULD YOU MARRY ME???

Why....Sure, you'd have to move to Cah Lee Fuh Nee Ah. And I don't have a dishwasher, so you don't have to do dishes.....I would.

Dang, If I can get you to post against your will and ask for my hand in marriage can you imagine what MY kids would be like?
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I need to clarify one thing about my previous post.

What I meant to say is that if the plot was put together against a neighborhood mom, the neighbors would ban together to get rid of the families of the children who put together the plan...

[Edwina's Secretary]

Third grade must be a very dangerous place. Here in OC a 3rd grade teacher had a gun hidden in her classroom. Ammo too.

OK Corral

If children are so good at distinguishing fact from fiction...why is Harry Potter so popular...Santa Claus, ET, and Snow White???

Combine a violence saturated culture with a child-centric culture and what do you expect?

[mugsy]

Why....Sure, you'd have to move to Cah Lee Fuh Nee Ah. And I don't have a dishwasher, so you don't have to do dishes.....I would.

Dang, If I can get you to post against your will and ask for my hand in marriage can you imagine what MY kids would be like?
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Well, I just can't bring myself to move to Cali...I'm just too Midwestern I guess! lol Dang!

You wouldn't have to worry about kids though...I'm 46 and have zero interest! And your cat would need to deal with my 6 dogs.


Sara...I totally agree...I'm just glad it hasn't come to that in the good ol' Fort!

[dukedogsmom]

Richard, once again you prove your awesomeness! Loved your post and it was right on the money. And you do dishes, too? You just might have another proposal.

[lizbud]

A big part of the problem is that teachers are NOT ALLOWED to discipline kids in the classroom anymore. It's not like when we were kids & you were expected to show respect to adults in authority (who were entrusted to provide consequences for your misbehavior)

One sure cure for today's school problems is to have an Order(any Order)
of Catholic nuns to take over the running of the schools.These kids would shape up quick. back in the "good old days" Catholic schools were given
permisson by the parents to discipline children if neccesary.

Children knew their limits & the consequences of bad behavior.