Pregnant Scottish Terrier

[RedyreRotties]

bottom line is, ScottieMommie, you have lied, mishandled your bitch, and irresponsible either bred her intentionally or carelessly allowed it to happen.

Then you come here, ask questions, and then when you don't like the answers you got (same at at PDGS), you get your back all up and get rude and defensive.

Your bitch has unverifiable background, is from a questionable source, is too young to be bred, has not had appropriate health testing, and should not be bred AT ALL, much less with a dog of a different breed. The smart thing to do is to SPAY your bitch. The very LEAST to do is have an ultrasound or a Relaxin blood test to determine if she is ACTUALLY in whelp.

You should also keep in mind that there are numerous complications that can happen during whelping and post whelping, up to and including the death of the bitch and/or all the puppies. Things happen like malpresentations, uterine inertia, emergency C sections, cleft palates, intestines on the outside of the body, mothers who have not enough milk, or no milk, or poison milk that kills all the puppies, eclampsia (which can kill a bitch after delivery), uterine infections post parturition (which can cause poison milk, and kill all the puppies and the bitch).

If you get through whelping safely, then you must get the puppies raised. Scotty bitches can be quite territorial with puppies, so be ready for that. You will need dewormer, vaccines, tail docking and dew claw removal by 3 days of age. If you don't keep your house quarantined, your puppies can make 5 weeks old only to die of Parvo or Distemper before they are old enough to be vaccinated.

Most of the time breeding dogs is about DEATH right along with new life. All breeders know that every breeding can mean the life of their bitch. I hope you don't have to find that out the hard way like so many people have.

[ScottieMommy]

Thanks Redeye for the consern. Like i said this is not my first time. I had a pregnant Dalmatian once and if you read the story you would know =] Nothing of what you listed happend. BUT there is always a first time for everything. By the way why would i have their tails docked? Scotties dont have docked tails. It is a preference. By the way if you mend it that way.

[critter crazy]

Thanks Redeye for the consern. Like i said this is not my first time. I had a pregnant Dalmatian once and if you read the story you would know =] Nothing of what you listed happend. BUT there is always a first time for everything. By the way why would i have their tails docked? Scotties dont have docked tails. It is a preference. By the way if you mend it that way.

Okay so Like this poster asked..................

So this isn't the first time that you had an unspayed female become pregnant by "accident." What happened to the five surviving puppies, did you keep them? Are you financially prepared to care for five puppies as they grow into dogs if that happens again?

[Pam]

I really don't even know why you came to this board. You have now had two female dogs get pregnant, then you ask for advice and then get mad when it is given.

Most, if not all, of the people on this board have their pets spayed/neutered as soon as the vet gives the OK (appropriate ages vary by vet). I am amazed that you did not have that done for your female(s). If you had done that, this thread wouldn't even exist.

We are not veterinarians here but again most, if not all, of the people on this board totally rely on their veterinarian and would not come here seeking medical advice. If you are relying on a group of people on the internet I really feel sorry for your dog and puppies. Responsible people spay/neuter and consult with their veterinarian when they have problems, questions or concerns. I really don't even understand why you started this thread.

[ScottieMommy]

First of all i wanted a second opinion. YES or coarse she has been to the vet, how do you think i found out her pregnancy chances? How do you think she gets her check ups? Shots? and so on.

Really how do i close this thread? Is pointless i know. Also if anyone wants an update i will update when she turns 6 weeks pregnant (if she is) on September 19th.

[wolfsoul]

Breeding is not just about cute puppies. There is alot of heartache involved. Hopefully you don't find out the hard way. A good breeder breeds for the better of the breed. And they make themselves comfortable with the fact that their breeding program always comes before their dogs. Can you honestly tell yourself that you will be okay if your dogs dies giving birth? Or dies after mastitis goes unnoticed and the infection gets into her bloodstream? Or dies because a stillborn puppy remained in her uterus and started an infection? When you breed a dog, you have to know the risks involved. Those of us that do it for the better of the breed have to look at the breed as a whole and continue looking at the future, and while we love our dogs dearly and do the best we can, bad things still happen. It doesn't stop most of us because the future of the breed is still important to us.
You don't even have a breed to better when breeding mixes. So what is important to you? What makes you put your dog's life at risk?
If you can't answer these questions, how canyou expect to deal with the real thing?
Breeding can have great rewards..But it can have it's heartaches. Just prepare yourself for the worst. And in the future, make better decisions. I will always regret breeding my first litter before I knew the pedigree well enough. I spent thousands, and ended up with singleton puppy I am now placing due to temperament problems that could have been avoided...IF I had done my research properly. I will never make the same mistake again, because in the end it is the dogs that end up hurting. I'd also recommend fostering. Before your start adding to the population...It is good to help out those without homes.

[Karen]

First of all i wanted a second opinion. YES or coarse she has been to the vet, how do you think i found out her pregnancy chances? How do you think she gets her check ups? Shots? and so on.

Really how do i close this thread? Is pointless i know. Also if anyone wants an update i will update when she turns 6 weeks pregnant (if she is) on September 19th.

If you want to close a thread, you ask the moderator.

[crow_noir]

The way i see it is that child abuse, and the pet overpopulation are directly tied to the human overpopulation.

When you have known as many foster children as i have you wouldn't think twice about comparing human children to the animals in the pounds.

Apples and oranges both grow on trees; both can still get sprayed with pesticides. Both can still suffer from temperature extremes.

I can't stand when people can value life when it suits them, but will turn a blind eye to it the next. Abortion is abortion. Whether it is a human child or a puppy or kitten.

Crow_Noir, comparing dogs and comparing children is like comparing apples to oranges. When kids are put to sleep by the millions each year, then you can bring them into the picture. I am not trying to be rude, and perhaps in someone else's case I have failed to do that, but honestly one thing I can't stand is when kids are brought into the picture of the unwanted pet population and breeding.

[crow_noir]

I find it disgusting that there are people here that think that those that have different opinions or even possibly undereducated about what really goes on in the pet world don't have a right to come and post on this forum.

It is sickening how RUDE and forcefully opinionated many here have been.

I think a lot more could be accomplished if y'all would take newcomers gently under your wings and guide them in the right direction. You know "... more flies with honey."

Realistically all you do by alienating and angering newcomers that have bred is make them bitter towards the spay/neuter crowd. ...possibly making it less likely that they'll do rescue in the future. You miss out a great opportunity to make their pets' lives better.

Rather than throwing venom filled opinions, why not be kind with your words? Use some tact people! Educate and post facts. (Not just statistics and preaching.)

I really don't even know why you came to this board. You have now had two female dogs get pregnant, then you ask for advice and then get mad when it is given.

Most, if not all, of the people on this board have their pets spayed/neutered as soon as the vet gives the OK (appropriate ages vary by vet). I am amazed that you did not have that done for your female(s). If you had done that, this thread wouldn't even exist.

We are not veterinarians here but again most, if not all, of the people on this board totally rely on their veterinarian and would not come here seeking medical advice. If you are relying on a group of people on the internet I really feel sorry for your dog and puppies. Responsible people spay/neuter and consult with their veterinarian when they have problems, questions or concerns. I really don't even understand why you started this thread.

[Pam]

\ don't have a right to come and post on this forum.

I never said that she didn't have a right to post on this forum. I am just wondering why she chose to. She seems to know about BYB and puppy mills and all the rest, so it is/was surprising to me that she would think of planning a mixed litter and then telling her story on a board of pet lovers. I have nothing more to say on this matter and will not open this thread again.

[ScottieMommy]

How do you expect me NOT to know about BYB and Puppymills? If you are a dog LOVER how can you not know? That more than 150 dogs are bred to death every single day? How can you not know where pet store puppies come from? You want me to stay ignorant by NOT knowing whats going on out there in the pet world?

You should look at in a good way
My dog= 2 puppies=SPAY + PUPPIES
Puppymills= 150 dogs=250 puppies + dying in horrible cages after 10+ year of breeding.

But no you rather attack people and MAKE them feel horrible for what they have done. And you know what if you want to go ahead and leave then leave.

[mr.chiwawa]

How do you expect me NOT to know about BYB and Puppymills? If you are a dog LOVER how can you not know? That more than 150 dogs are bred to death every single day? How can you not know where pet store puppies come from? You want me to stay ignorant by NOT knowing whats going on out there in the pet world?

You should look at in a good way
My dog= 2 puppies=SPAY + PUPPIES
Puppymills= 150 dogs=250 puppies + dying in horrible cages after 10+ year of breeding.

But no you rather attack people and MAKE them feel horrible for what they have done. And you know what if you want to go ahead and leave then leave.

STOP IT You are getting rudeness due to your HIGH levels of defense comming right back just STOP IT!!!!!!!! STOP beating around the bush NOT EVERY RESPONSE NEEDS A COMMENT FROM YOU. Why don't you for once on this post take the higher road and just close it out?

[ScottieMommy]

Mr: Chi is NOT ok for me to comment in every post what i think or my opinion, but is OK for you to come and post all the garbage talk and opinions you want about me? Well i tell you what, it does NOT work that way. I know i was right in my last post and you know it. Thats why you get mad every single time i post something new. I can sit here and let you all trash talk your opinions but i have NO right at all to say mines? What kind forum is this? I am sorry if you dont want to hear it perhaps leave?
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(Originally Posted by ScottieMommy
How do you expect me NOT to know about BYB and Puppymills? If you are a dog LOVER how can you not know? That more than 150 dogs are bred to death every single day? How can you not know where pet store puppies come from? You want me to stay ignorant by NOT knowing whats going on out there in the pet world?

You should look at in a good way
My dog= 2 puppies=SPAY + PUPPIES
Puppymills= 150 dogs=250 puppies + dying in horrible cages after 10+ year of breeding.

But no you rather attack people and MAKE them feel horrible for what they have done. And you know what if you want to go ahead and leave then leave.)

[mr.chiwawa]

ONCE AGIAN YOU DID NOT HEAR WHAT WAS BEING SAD AND SO SORRY I WILL NOT LEAVE JUST BECAUSE ONE PERSON DOESN'T LIKE MY THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS.....

[ScottieMommy]

Mr: Chiwawa you are just finding a lame excuse so you are always right =] Let me tell you life does NOT always work out that way. Sorry if you want to be the one that is ALWAYS right your not. Sometimes the OP makes sence as well. And no i actually did not expect you to leave