I can't say I'm Sorry

[Blue_Frog]

Sorry no time for a more cohesive post -- heres links pro, con and neutral to make up your own minds -- have to head home

against the seal hunt
http://www.harpseals.org/hunters/index.html
http://www.environmentvoters.org/sea...framework.html
http://www.canadiansealhunt.com/
seal hunt petition -- http://www.stopthesealhunt.ca/site/c...0000_Seals.htm
http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p..._a_chance.html
http://www.antisealingcoalition.ca/b...alhunt2007.php
http://www.nativejournal.ca/pages/*2...v.html#anchor4

pro seal hunt
Seal Management -- http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque...-rapport_e.htm
Includes an entire breakdown of the Industry from a government perspective -- http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque...aits2007_e.htm
Myths about the Seal Hunt -- http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/seal_phoque_en.pdf
Collapse of the Cod Fisery and Seal Management -- http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/egj17/mason1.html
Standing Commitee on Fisheries and Oceans -- http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/C...FOPOEV29-E.PDF
http://freenewfoundlandlabrador.blog...t-protest.html
http://www.sealharvest.ca/html/press_releases.html

neutral seal hunt links
phone survey by the gobbment, with the results -- http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque...ionnaire_e.htm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/sealhunt/
A discussion forum with additional points of view -- http://boards.self.com/thread.jspa;j...ssageID=258793&
Another discussion forum with additional points of view -- http://www.leasticoulddo.com/forum/l...hp/t16572.html
http://www.imma.org/fishcomm/
http://futuresheet.com/2007/04/04/wa...das-seal-hunt/

other 'culls' that occurr...
Alligators -- http://myfwc.com/gators/
Deer -- http://www.greatlakesdirectory.org/wi/0426deer.htm
Bear -- http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle316085.ece
*note: the bear hunt was cancelled due to public pressure. See here for nusiance bear issues -- http://www.ofah.org/Bear/News.cfm?P=1 and http://www.northshorebears.com/downl...Assessment.pdf *

[Sophist]

I'm sorry you couldn't be more helpful now, but I will search back through
all the posts & try to get an idea of what facts interested you.

I'll get back to you next week sometime, after i've found the links.

Yeah, waiting until the end of the debate when I've been one of the very few providing outside sources and then just sying "PROVE ALL OF IT!" is a little tricky, at best.

Sorry you find me unhelpful, but I don't keep a current list of citations on my entire inventory of thought processes... I tried, but the backpack got too heavy .

And please, don't worry about the facts that interest me, let me know what you are interested in knowing more about.

If there are any specific issues you'd like me to try to clarify or offer you some sources that support my view, though, please do let me know and I would be happy to comply as time allows.

[Sophist]

Blue Frog... I tried posting some different pro and con cites a ways back, hopefully yours are more-clicked upon than mine.


I look forward to reading through what you've gathered, though. Thanks for your efforts to provide us a variety of views to sort through.

[wombat2u2004]

Saw it all the time back in Ottawa. College students will toss quarters onto the main roads (4-6 lanes) during rush hour & watch the homless people run into traffic, hoping to get one pegged off by a car...

There are so many homless people killed every year for sport.

Its nothing new.. happens all the time... not saying its right, just saying it happens.

College students huh ???
Well, from my time on this planet, it's always been college students who think they have all the answers...you know....the mass demo's about wars, the environment, stuff like that. It must be their learned opinion that we don't need homeless hanging about the streets......oh well....guess they'll be longer here than I will be......or.......will they ???
Wom

[wombat2u2004]

[QUOTE=Puckstop31]God has given us dominion over His animal creation.

Who wrote that one ??? Some hungry 11th century monk ????
Wom

[lizbud]

Sorry no time for a more cohesive post -- heres links pro, con and neutral to make up your own minds -- have to head home

against the seal hunt
http://www.harpseals.org/hunters/index.html
http://www.environmentvoters.org/sea...framework.html
http://www.canadiansealhunt.com/
seal hunt petition -- http://www.stopthesealhunt.ca/site/c...0000_Seals.htm
http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p..._a_chance.html
http://www.antisealingcoalition.ca/b...alhunt2007.php
http://www.nativejournal.ca/pages/*2...v.html#anchor4

pro seal hunt
Seal Management -- http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque...-rapport_e.htm
Includes an entire breakdown of the Industry from a government perspective -- http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque...aits2007_e.htm
Myths about the Seal Hunt -- http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/seal_phoque_en.pdf
Collapse of the Cod Fisery and Seal Management -- http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/egj17/mason1.html
Standing Commitee on Fisheries and Oceans -- http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/C...FOPOEV29-E.PDF
http://freenewfoundlandlabrador.blog...t-protest.html
http://www.sealharvest.ca/html/press_releases.html

neutral seal hunt links
phone survey by the gobbment, with the results -- http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque...ionnaire_e.htm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/sealhunt/
A discussion forum with additional points of view -- http://boards.self.com/thread.jspa;j...ssageID=258793&
Another discussion forum with additional points of view -- http://www.leasticoulddo.com/forum/l...hp/t16572.html
http://www.imma.org/fishcomm/
http://futuresheet.com/2007/04/04/wa...das-seal-hunt/

other 'culls' that occurr...
Alligators -- http://myfwc.com/gators/
Deer -- http://www.greatlakesdirectory.org/wi/0426deer.htm
Bear -- http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle316085.ece
*note: the bear hunt was cancelled due to public pressure. See here for nusiance bear issues -- http://www.ofah.org/Bear/News.cfm?P=1 and http://www.northshorebears.com/downl...Assessment.pdf *

Thanks Blue Frog.

[Pembroke_Corgi]

Wow, glad to see a few more people who are willing to look at the other side showed up while I was away. I was starting to get lonely .

Yes, your primary supporter said it was ok because god said so. Sorry, but the bible doesn't count as empirical evidence.

I appreciate your attempts to use logic and research to back your claims...even if I find your ultimate conclusion wrong. I too get annoyed with anecdotal evidence and the feeling that, whoever is willing to argue the longest and the loudest will "win" the debate.

I will admit I'm no expert on seals, or marine life in general. I do however feel that a more eco-friendly (and seal friendly) solution is surely out there for dealing with this "overpopulation." I will attempt to do a little research myself and see if I can't find some good data on this, and I'll check out the links you provided.

[wombat2u2004]

I will admit I'm no expert on seals, or marine life in general. I do however feel that a more eco-friendly (and seal friendly) solution is surely out there for dealing with this "overpopulation." I will attempt to do a little research myself and see if I can't find some good data on this, and I'll check out the links you provided.

You don't have to be an expert to see what is happening PC.
Nor do you have to have the imput of so called experts to form an opinion.
Hey....there is right, and there is wrong....your opinion alone is based on what you perceive to be right or wrong.
I for one am not listening to ANY so called experts for or against...I'll no more believe them than what the media hands out to us selectively on a daily basis. Experts persuasion on these matters is also linked to the dollar.
Wom

[Puckstop31]

Who wrote that one ??? Some hungry 11th century monk ????
Wom

No... The Word of God.

Genesis 1:27-28

"27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

[Catty1]

Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

And who is to distinguish between responsible rule and dictatorship? Some humans take this and run the wrong way with it.

To me, this implies stewardship as well.

[sparks19]

And who is to distinguish between responsible rule and dictatorship? Some humans take this and run the wrong way with it.

To me, this implies stewardship as well.

Some humans do everything to the extreme. It can't really be stopped.... there are always going to be people that take a mile when given an inch. but the responsible people shouldn't be condemned for it. Human nature is what it is..... we can't all be trusted to do "the right thing" in every situation.... there are always going to be those that take things to the extreme..... It's just unfortunate that the rest have to be thrown into the group with the whackos.

[wombat2u2004]

No... The Word of God.

Genesis 1:27-28

"27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Really now ????
Wom

[wombat2u2004]

Some humans do everything to the extreme. It can't really be stopped.... there are always going to be people that take a mile when given an inch. but the responsible people shouldn't be condemned for it. Human nature is what it is..... we can't all be trusted to do "the right thing" in every situation.... there are always going to be those that take things to the extreme..... It's just unfortunate that the rest have to be thrown into the group with the whackos.

So.....the seal hunters ??? Responsible or extreme ????
Wom

[Marigold2]

I love it... I love the statement "ants and fleas are insects, not animals". Where in your brain does THAT justification come up? To make you feel better I suppose?

What if the choice was between a Human child and that hamster?

Seek help m'am. I'd hate for you to end up in jail if you really did make a choice like that someday.

Geez Puck you are so kind. I love how you quote the bible in one post while still managing to insult me in another while you hold a gun in one hand look an innocent creature in the eye and blow it's brains out. Read what I wrote again Puck I didn't say anything about innocent babies I spoke about child molesters, murderes and rapists. Just so we are clear, if it was between say you and the hamster, getting a little hot there Puck?

[Puckstop31]

And who is to distinguish between responsible rule and dictatorship? Some humans take this and run the wrong way with it.

To me, this implies stewardship as well.

Indeed. I agree with you 100%.