Horrible dog attack!

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Gini, I am so sorry this happened and one can only understand your feelings if they have been through this, please don't listen to the member who has no knowledge about what she is talking about concerning what happens here in our country, although she likes to criticize everything we say. Just ignore it as I do.

We have the same problem here with Pitbulls, now I'm not saying all Pitbulls are bad, please don't jump on me about that. What I am saying is the people who own them are not being responsible owners.

If one visits our animal control which we do, they have many, many pitbulls because the people just keep breeding them and then give a couple away to their friends and don't know what to do with the rest of them so they are in animal control waiting to die. In our neighborhood we have young men who do this, in between breeding them they fight them. It's not the Pitbull who is at fault, it's the people who own them and there should be laws stopping this kind of thing, but the so called responsible elected officials look the other way.

According to Animal control there is nothing they can do, when Daisy and Perry were attacked, the dog had to have at least 3 or 4 attacks of other dogs before they could do anything. In the meantime my dogs were in the hospital Perry with his fur ripped open and collapsed lungs and Daisy's shoulder ripped open, bone showing and needing surgery. My life has changed forever, I never feel my dogs are safe anymore, I worry constantly, I have to escort them outside, because I'm afraid they will get attacked again. Is this fair?
They returned the dogs to the owners on the very same day with a ticket. This happened in my own fenced backyard.

No, dogs are not bad, but the owners of these dogs do not care what happens to other people's dogs or people. Gini, I hope you do get that petition going and I hope they ban these dogs from your area until the Koreans take some responsibility regarding ownership of these dogs and the elected officials wake up to what is going on. You can bet they live in a safe area without these kinds of attack dogs.
Sorry for the long post, but I can understand how Gini feels, I have been there.
Jackie

[wolflady]

Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
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According to Animal control there is nothing they can do, when Daisy and Perry were attacked, the dog had to have at least 3 or 4 attacks of other dogs before they could do anything. In the meantime my dogs were in the hospital Perry with his fur ripped open and collapsed lungs and Daisy's shoulder ripped open, bone showing and needing surgery. My life has changed forever, I never feel my dogs are safe anymore, I worry constantly, I have to escort them outside, because I'm afraid they will get attacked again. Is this fair?
They returned the dogs to the owners on the very same day with a ticket. This happened in my own fenced backyard...

OMG Jackie, I'm so sorry to hear about this!!!! It's absolutely horrible! Was this something that happened recently?
This may sound a little harsh, but I think officials need to take attacks like these more seriously and punish the people who can't responsibly own a "guardian" breed of dog. I think it's rediculous that they want people to wait until a dangerous dog attacks 3 or 4 times before anyone does anything? 1 attack is enough for me...and if it were on my property...I can't even imagine. I'm fuming at that thought.
This is rediculous!!!! If I'm living in a neighborhood where irresponsible people have vicious dogs...I wouldn't stand by and let them get away with it. I would expect people to take care of their animals and take responsibility of their animal's actions as I would with mine. It isn't fair that anyone should feel afraid for themselves and/or their pets and children in their own neighborhoods. Gini, I too hope you get that petition going. Actions like this need to be addressed before anyone or anything is seriously injured or killed. We will not stand for irresponsible ownership!!! Those people need to be punished!

I agree, it's not directly the dog's fault...but in fact it IS the owners that make a dog bad. It is sad that most "guardian" breeds of dog get a bad rap for it, but it is a fact that certain breeds are chosen by certain people because of their ability to be viscious. However, it's the owners that should be punished and not the dog.

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Wolflady, this happened in June, we had been to the store and came back to find the pitbull had smashed through our fence and attacked both dogs. We found Daisy hiding in her doghouse and Perry on the bottom step barely breathing. Luckily the Pitbull got his chain caught on the broken fence and couldn't get loose to continue the attack.
Both Perry and Daisy are doing wonderful, Perry was distrustful of every little noise or anything but is doing well, completely recovered from his wounds, it took Daisy a lot longer to recover, she had surgery, but even her Vet is surprised at the recovery she is making and almost back to normal, she is doing really well.
Thanks for asking
Jackie

[wolflady]

{{{Jackie, Perry, Daisy}}}

I'm so glad that both Perry and Daisy are doing well. What an awful experience for them and you!! Bless their little hearts! I'll be sure to keep you all in my prayers.

**hugs**
Karen

[Ann]

Originally posted by YellowLabLover
It was a yellow lab that got hurt- WWWWAAAAAAAAA!!

I hope that Jindo dog dies!

That was really unnecessary. It's not the Jindo's fault, it's the owners. And what's especially sad about this is that you're only caring so much because it was a yellow lab (obviously your favorite breed). ALL breeds are just as good and none are worth more than another, be it a pure-bred yellow lab or a "mutt".

Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
Gini, I am so sorry this happened and one can only understand your feelings if they have been through this, please don't listen to the member who has no knowledge about what she is talking about concerning what happens here in our country, although she likes to criticize everything we say. Just ignore it as I do.

I have a NAME you know You don't have to refer to me as "the member who has no knowledge about what she is talking about", you're free to just call me "Ann". And JSYK, I've lived in the USA for over two years (in total that is, I've gone back and forth many times since you aren't allowed to be there for more than 6 months in total without a permit) so I do KNOW what I'm talking about. Just because I can see some faults in the way the USA works sometimes, unlike yourself, doesn't make me some horrible person like you seem to think. If you honestly are that offended by me, please do ignore me for REAL.

[kingrattus]

The dog needs to sent to a Jindo rescue to see if they can tame him. I was bitten by a pitt bull several times & he left welts & 2 quater sized bruses & there was no way, I was gonna let the shelter kill the dog, I was going to sudjest a rescue, after I cleaned up, but when I went to tell him this, he was already on the phone calling a rescue, I was sooo happy, because it wasn't the dogs fault I pissed him off, I was doing my job by trying to train him not to jump & to sit, stay, come & walk on a leash. The trainings not what pissed him off, it was that I had other dogs to train as well & when I was finished working with him, he knew I was going to go see another dog, so he would bite me & hold on, he was not a mean dog, he just wanted more love that I couldn't give to him.
But on the bright side, the rescue too him, & I helped 2 other dogs find great homes & I traine a black lab to stop jumping & bitting & I trained a Walker hound to walk without pulling.
I did all this in 2 weeks or 41 hours, I would have stayed longer but that shelter was too far from my home, its an hours drive.
but I loved the experience & the shelter wants me back, but I know I wont be able to. I might try to find a shelter out here in Ottawa that I can go to, to just train dogs

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Yes, you do have a name and it's Ann, wow you have been here 2 years, I've been here 67 years, probably a little more experience in living here than you do. Do I come in here and trash Sweden? We respect the countries that everyone comes from, I have never heard an American on here trash anyone's country and we have the intelligence and respect not to do something like that.
Why don't you grow up and talk about things that you know about like animals and leave our country out of it unless you have something nice to say for a change. I really don't care to respond to your posts as you are immature and silly.
I'm not letting you run me out of PetTalk, unless Karen and Paul decide they want me to leave because of this post, or the members are tired of me and then I will leave, it will be up to them not you.
What I am tired of is your ridiculous trash talking. You have intelligence, that's for sure, use it or lose it.
Jackie

[Soledad]

I find you really offensive sometimes. I complained about this too, and I am an American. Gini's comments were either poorly worded or ignorant. To state that a group of people all does the same thing is wrong, and offensive. We are in cyberspace, and are unaware of each other's races and ethnicities, I suggest we realise that and word our thoughts more wisely.

And just a word of advice, when you're the only superpower (making you the dominant country of the world), expect some criticism. We're not under Sweden's rule, but other countries are greatly effected by US decisions, and therefore have a right to state their cases.

[Uabassoon]

until the Koreans take some responsibility regarding ownership of these dogs

Jackie Daisy I can honsetly say that I found this offensive. Why can't you say "the people who own these dogs" rather then generalize. I found nothing that Ann said in this post offensive in any way. Her post said nothing bad about america. It just said it's not nice to generalize, and I, as a proud American agree.

[lizbud]

I really want to respond on the recent postings, but I
have a puppy to care for right NOW. I'll be back. Liz.

[mel55smiles]

hi!! ummm... guys.... i agree with ann, though i still think your a great person jackiedaisy, you didn't have to jump all over ann for it...


plaese don't fight!!!

[jackiesdaisy1935]

Well Soledad I find you offensive too, since I see the majority of people posting find me offensive then I guess I will leave, I'm sorry that this has turned into a conflict, I am an American and I love my country and I will not stand to see it trashed by the likes of Ann or anyone like her.. I don't find her offensive I find the things she has to say about my country offensive, I doubt I would be welcomed in Sweden if I said the things she has said here.
PetTalk has been a wonderful place for us all to gather to talk about our pets, I'm sorry it has become a platform for hate and discontent with a few like you. It seems you are only happy when you both start a conflict of some sort. Why don't you lay off of Gini, she is a nice person doesn't have a racist bone in her body and certainly is not ignorant.
You never have a good word for anyone.
To all my friends on here, I appreciate all the nice things you have said, the concern you showed for Perry and Daisy, and the love you have given me, I guess it's time for me to say goodbye.
I wish you all good luck and good health.
Jackie

[Soledad]

Lots of things to clear up here, I can see.

1. There is a difference between criticising and trashing. Please learn it.
2. You would still be welcomed into Sweden if you made disparaging remarks about it. It's not a totalitarian state. Other countries besides America have freedom of speech.
3. PetTalk has NOT become a platform of hate and discontent. You seem to have MAJOR problems with anyone having opinions divergent of your own. Perhaps you are just set in your ways.
4. Look at my posts, I do have a good word for people. Stop generalising.
5. I said either Gini had worded her thoughts poorly or was treading on some rather racists grounds. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. It is not right to dictate what an entire population does/does not do based on race.

My nieces and nephews are of Korean descent, and they don't own any wild dogs that attack. I don't want them to grow up in a country where they're not seen as "full" Americans, or people who mistreat animals and break laws.

[trisha0503]

Reading this thread makes me a little bit sad... Guess, we should all realize that WE ALL share ONE common thing, and that's our LOVE for our pets... We come here to vent, to console our pet lover friend in cyberspace, to laugh at those funny pictures , to cry, to laugh or just to merely read what everyone has to say ...

I won't take sides, 'coz I do believe that neither jackie nor Ann has any intention of offending anyone... Sometimes, because of our passion in voicing out our opinions, we say things that HURT other people UNINTENTIONALLY... These things happened not only here at Pet Talk but in our everyday lives... But as a responsible, true loving individual, I do believe that ANYTHING can be patched up or ironed out if we are willing to fix things up...

We are all friends in cyberspace, and i hate to see any member leave just because we don't share common opinion... Regardless of nationality, color , age , race or religion, nothing can beat our true passion for our loving pets..

Miss Jackie, please don't leave Pet Talk... I beg, if I need to... We need you here..

Ann, please don't leave too

We are all friends in cyberspace.. We all have one common goal - and that's to express our true love to our pets and to protect any animals in any possible way that we can..

Have a wonderful day everyone and God bless !

[lizbud]

What is this, gang up on Jackie night?

I 'd suggest any one who thinks that Gini or Jackie are
making racist statements please read the above link on
this particular breed of dog. It is a Korean Breed and the
link to info on the temperment and nature of the breed is
written by a Korean man who admires the breed . Please
read past the first few pages on the link. Pages 12-16 are
especially revealing of the the Jindo nature .The link(with pics)
shows how a typical island dog & human family co-exist.
The Korean island mind-set does not translate at all to a
typical urban setting such as L.A.(or any other large urban
city) There are no leash laws in Korea. There are very strict
leash laws in most American cities. It may be a culture thing,
Whatever, an unleashed and unrestrained dog that attacks
other animals should not be tolerated in any U.S. city.
There are city ordinances(not strong enough) to deal with
the owners & the animals that violate the law.
An unleashed guard dog laying in the road in front of the
owners house might work in some small Korean village, but
certainly does not work here in American cities.
Gini made no racist statements, neither did Jackie. What we're
trying to discuss here, is the prevalence of unprovoked dog
attacks made by uncontrolled dogs of any citizen , in any
American city.