Galina thread

**caseysmom** · 03-07-2007, 01:17 PM

I just don't enjoy being lied to. Borzoimom from the beginning said many things that seemed untrue at best, for instance that she had 2 degrees from princeton and she could not spell degrees correctly.

**Lori Jordan** · 03-07-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow

It may help those of you that are confused to remember a few things,
A website with an email is public domain.

In that manner anyone including myself, can contact that person, it is not priveledged information. No one is restricted to their questions that they can ask another person, the other person may refuse to answer and that is their perogative.

I asked a few questions, I recieved some very different answers from the studs owner than I was informed. It is quite interesting.

i have been told that i can post an email address to verify, that Killarney has no planned breedings at all with any female either through AI or with him pairing naturally.

He does not have any pups he has ever produced.As he has never been bred.

The owner has him his 2 brothers and a sister that are all being campaigned, and Killarney will not be showing this year.

He was not lost at Eukanuba for 6 hours, that happened last year , it was a 3 hour mix up on British Airways, the dog was fine and that incident happened 2 days before his show.

with all due respect to his owner, you may pm me for the email address.
or you can simply look on the llinks posted with his website on them.

Are you not a friend of hers for 25 years?Why are you doing this?

**Ginger's Mom** · 03-07-2007, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

Are you not a friend of hers for 25 years?Why are you doing this?

Doing what?

**Lori Jordan** · 03-07-2007, 01:24 PM

Well a friend of 25 years do you not think she should be standing behind her,Do you think emailing this guy is the way to go?

Or just leave it alone,It will all work itself out in the end.

**Lobodeb** · 03-07-2007, 01:27 PM

I confess.

I'm still really confused. Karen PM'd me the reason that she was banned, but in her descretness, still wasn't able to give me details, which is fine. I don't need to know everything and am not entitled for that matter.

But, if her talking about breeding Galina and talking about the sire was so terrible, then will this be a "no no" on the animal planet forum as well?

I say we just let her do whatever it is she does and let her move on with her life while we move on with ours.

Good luck, Michelle.

**Ginger's Mom** · 03-07-2007, 01:27 PM

I think if I had been friends with someone for 25 years and had reason to believe she was lying to me, I would be very hurt and possibly angry. And then to confirm that she was lying!?! I would wonder about other aspects of our "friendship" as well.

**DrKym** · 03-07-2007, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

Are you not a friend of hers for 25 years?Why are you doing this?

Lori,
My verification of her post was made as a friend.

I will not lie for anyone, nor will I expect anyone else to lie for me. That being said, I was asked to verify if this breeding was a go.

It is a very easy thing to do. The owner of either animal can choose to answer or not. That is their perogative.

In this instance Mike Savage chose to answer, his answer was negatory, there were no breedings planned for Killarney. To Michelle or any one else for that matter. Either by AI or by natural pairing.

**Danegirl2208** · 03-07-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Lobodeb

I confess.

I'm still really confused. Karen PM'd me the reason that she was banned, but in her descretness, still wasn't able to give me details, which is fine. I don't need to know everything and am not entitled for that matter.

But, if her talking about breeding Galina and talking about the sire was so terrible, then will this be a "no no" on the animal planet forum as well?

I say we just let her do whatever it is she does and let her move on with her life while we move on with ours.

Good luck, Michelle.

read Kym's posts above....it wasnt the fact that she said she was breeding Galina it was the fact that she was flaunting false information around, that she knew perfectly well wasnt true...

**Lobodeb** · 03-07-2007, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danegirl2208

read Kym's posts above....it wasnt the fact that she said she was breeding Galina it was the fact that she was flaunting false information around, that she knew perfectly well wasnt true...

I get that part (and thank you). But I guess I'm still confused as to why that is enough to be banned. But I also am aware that there may be other reasons.

I'm ok with not understanding. I'm used to it in my facets of my life.

**Lori Jordan** · 03-07-2007, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Goodnow

Lori,
My verification of her post was made as a friend.

I will not lie for anyone, nor will I expect anyone else to lie for me. That being said, I was asked to verify if this breeding was a go.

It is a very easy thing to do. The owner of either animal can choose to answer or not. That is their perogative.

In this instance Mike Savage chose to answer, his answer was negatory, there were no breedings planned for Killarney. To Michelle or any one else for that matter. Either by AI or by natural pairing.

But.....

Do you think with all the emails he has had he will give a straight answer.

When i called a Newf Breeder,She did not tell me a thing,Whether she had any available dogs,Until i drove 3 1/2,She spoke to us for 2 hours,Most likely skoped us out.

Then she said,Oh i have 2 littles of pups,and 2 2 year old males available.

So if he is getting swamped do you think he will say yes or no,He does not know anybody,And to call and be bothering him,Do you think he cares?Honestly?

**DrKym** · 03-07-2007, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

But.....

Do you think with all the emails he has had he will give a straight answer.

When i called a Newf Breeder,She did not tell me a thing,Whether she had any available dogs,Until i drove 3 1/2,She spoke to us for 2 hours,Most likely skoped us out.

Then she said,Oh i have 2 littles of pups,and 2 2 year old males available.

So if he is getting swamped do you think he will say yes or no,He does not know anybody,And to call and be bothering him,Do you think he cares?Honestly?

Actually I spoke with him for nearly an hour on the phone.
and yes he does care, his kennel name is his lifes work, to have it bantered about, ringside or otherwise any kennel would care.

And the dog world is a small one, so he was grateful to be able to correct any misinformation pertaining to his dog or kennel.

**Lori Jordan** · 03-07-2007, 01:41 PM

I am really finished,This is crap!

No one should of called anybody,Frankly it is not our place or buisness to do so,If it is a lie,Well then it will be delt with.

Why it keeps getting added too is beyond me i think this should be locked this thread is going no where!

**areias** · 03-07-2007, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Lori Jordan

But.....

Do you think with all the emails he has had he will give a straight answer.

When i called a Newf Breeder,She did not tell me a thing,Whether she had any available dogs,Until i drove 3 1/2,She spoke to us for 2 hours,Most likely skoped us out.

Then she said,Oh i have 2 littles of pups,and 2 2 year old males available.

So if he is getting swamped do you think he will say yes or no,He does not know anybody,And to call and be bothering him,Do you think he cares?Honestly?

Amen!

As Michelle told to me...they keep it under wraps until the puppies are there...they do not want people knowing whether or not either dogs are "producing" or not...it can affect a heck of a lot...what will people think of those dogs in the future, or of those dogs sires, siblings, relatives...

And why in the world was she BANNED over this? A different member didn't even get banned and they were proved to have said numerous lies in another thread, including dogs they have had or haven't had-with no repercussions. Michelle definately has all the dogs she said she's had!

I am so fed up with a battle every time she posts, too...it's not her, it's other members starting it. I know a lot of people who would retaliate if attacked like she has been. She has never gone after anyone without reason to do so.

**Daisy and Delilah** · 03-07-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ginger's Mom

I think if I had been friends with someone for 25 years and had reason to believe she was lying to me, I would be very hurt and possibly angry. And then to confirm that she was lying!?! I would wonder about other aspects of our "friendship" as well.

Well said, Joyce.

Lori, even if it were my children that I love with all my heart, I wouldn't support lying from them either.

I hope everyone can soon realize that this wasn't right and we can all accept it. borzoimom did something that was very wrong, by all standards. No matter how painful it may be to her friends here, it happened and that's that.

If we were all in the habit of posting blatant lies, this board would be nothing but a joke. This board stands for honesty and credibility. Isn't that the way we all want it?

**Karen** · 03-07-2007, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by areias

I am so fed up with a battle every time she posts, too...it's not her, it's other members starting it. I know a lot of people who would retaliate if attacked like she has been. She has never gone after anyone without reason to do so.

No, she has often in the past "started it," and has been warned for doing so since the first days she joined the board. This latest incident was just the final straw.