Sep. 11th Picture!

**bnormal** · 09-03-2002, 11:02 AM

The picture is interesting. Is it an angel? Who knows? Is the face of the devil in the smoke? Who knows? I haven't paid much attention to the devil in the smoke and now the angel flying around pictures. I think this kind of trivializes the 3000 or so people who were murdered in the WTC that day. And to the original poster I am in no way saying that was your intent.

Let me offer my .02 worth on this God/No God theme: What I believe shouldn't matter to anyone else just as I really don't care what others believe. But consider this:

If their is a God I believe He would want us to be a creation of people who love his entire creation. Thats right, love even those who have different opinions. BUT LOVE EACH OTHER JUST THE SAME!

If their isn't a God then we all better realize that we are here on this planet together and for a short time. We are ALL from the same family. Don't get so caught up in being right and proving wrong. BUT LOVE EACH OTHER JUST THE SAME!

Love isn't a passive emotion...in reality love is something we either choose to give or choose not to give...only I control whether I am a person who loves or not.

On a lighter note: can you imagine the discussions we would get into if our pets could speak? Can you imagine the food arguments!

**sammi** · 09-03-2002, 03:07 PM

Thank you for answering Ann. I won't ask anymore questions - but, for the other members who are wondering what I was refering to, it was an old post.

[I edited out this reference, and the link to the website. She stated to me that much of what is there she no longer believes, etc. and we're better off just not pointing people there for everyone's sake. - Karen]

**Uabassoon** · 09-03-2002, 09:40 PM

I just saw this thread today. I hope no one gets upset for what I have to say, because I guess we really aren't supposed to be posting anymore, but I would like to get this out. Please know that they way I feel are my own personal belifes and feelings, and because I feel it is right for me does not mean that I think what I feel is what everyone else should feel.
I was raised very catholic, and I enjoyed going to church and going to catholic school. But now things have changed in my life. I was born a female and am now in the process of becoming a male. Of course the Catholic church didn't agree with this, but I didn't lose my faith. I still haven't lost my faith. Now I'm not saying that everyone who is Catholic or religous or Christian thinks I'm evil or wrong, but it was hard for me to go somewhere and love God when people are telling me that god doesn't love me because of what I am doing. And I'm not saying that there aren't any religions or churchs or places of worship that won't accept me. I went to a "gay friendly" church for awhile, but I don't feel that I should have to go to a special church. I should be able to choose any place of worship that I want, but I am unable too. So instead I worship God from my own house, and I try to live my life as best as I can. I am happy with my life and the decisions I have made.
Once again I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

**Redneck Pit Lover** · 09-03-2002, 09:43 PM

I, myself, thought the pictures was great.

**Soledad** · 09-03-2002, 11:09 PM

up to two per cent of babies are born intergender (having both sex organs). I hope you find your way without too much further ignorance or discrimination, Uabassoon. Good luck with your journey.

**Nomilynn** · 09-03-2002, 11:15 PM

I just want to say good luck to you Uabassoon. I think it's great that you are comfortable sharing that kind of thing as well. I just wanted to echo Soledad's sentiments

**Miss Meow** · 09-04-2002, 03:43 AM

Same same to Nomilynn and Soledad's comments. The world needs diversity, honesty, love and kindness - stay brave and true to yourself.

Former User · 09-04-2002, 06:34 AM

Ann, you have no need to say you are sorry because you replied. It's not fair that others can post about you here and then you aren't allowed to reply.

Actually, Karen asked to leave this thread alone already, why didn't you???? (not meaning you Ann, you didn't participate anymore).

I don't understand either why Sammi brought all that up, feeling better now Sammi? Nothing what you brought up, has anythng to do with this thread, you are just trying to make Ann look like the bad person here.

I personally happen to like Ann, and a lot. She's very fine young woman, with her OWN opinions, and she doesn't follow everyones opinions, but makes her own. That's the main reason I like her, reminds of me a bit

. Anyway, I hope this thread will be closed and maybe deleted, Ann does NOT deserve this crap!

EDIT NOTE: this was a reply to Ann's post that was above mine but got deleted.

**sasvermont** · 09-04-2002, 07:13 AM

You know, everyone here has the ability and opportunity the display their life experiences and true self the way they want. If you put every detail about yourself on the web, then you are a target. Good or bad. Kind or evil. Happy or sad. Whatever it is, you get what you ask for.....a response. If you don't like people's reactions, then don't put the information out there.

**Logan** · 09-04-2002, 08:28 AM

I was the first one to respond on this original post. Boy, has it gotten off track since then. I agree that a lot of this discussion could be reserved for email and private messages. If we could discuss it calmly, then it might even have a place here in the General Section of Pet Talk. Our religious beliefs, whatever they are, make us what we are, and who we are. And our love for our pets is a common thread, regardless of our religious or political beliefs.

But Pet Talk isn't here for criticism or cursing (this is the part that has upset and disappointed me the most), or backstabbing or pointing fingers. We have a wide range of ages and nationalities represented here. I would never let my 11 year old daughter join or read even Pet Talk on her own because of the chance that she would see a thread like this one.

And there is so much good here, that it is a shame I can't. I stand firmly in my faith, and I'll gladly discuss it privately or publicly with anyone who is willing to listen. But the anger that is coming from both sides of this discussion are just too much. I'm going to take my own advice, and avoid it from now on. I hope everyone else will too.

My prayer is that we can find topics of interest that we can all participate in, without fighting. This is my "getaway" place, where I come for enjoyment. This thread has become more tense than most of my real life situations.

Logan

**Karen** · 09-04-2002, 09:25 AM

Folks, I deleted Ann's post here, and Pm's her. I'm going in and deleting other comments to it.

Just let this part of this thread die, will you?

Pet Tak is normally a kind, loving place. Did your mom ever tell you "If you can't say anything nice ..." On this thread, please keep that in mind. And if you EVER want to complain about a user PM ME! instead of making a public statement and prolonging things.

Everyone, right now, go skritch a pet. If you can't, go look at today's dog, or cat, or pet, and feel happier, okay?

**Logan** · 09-04-2002, 09:33 AM

Thank you, Karen.

I have seven lovely furry and feathered heads that would love to be kissed and scratched this morning!!! I'll be busy for a while now!!!

**Ann** · 09-04-2002, 02:20 PM

Karen, seeing how in your PM you said that you deleted my post because it used profanity, but why couldn't you just have edited out the cussing then (like you did before) instead of deleting my whole post?! I said things in there that I really wanted to be read. I thought I had the right to defend myself when people said my boyfriend made them want to vomit and you just deleted it all?!

Fine. Whatever.