Help stop Internet Porn - Please!

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Ann
The land of the free huh?

If people wants to look at porn and want to have porn sites, then let them! I don't think it's right to force them to give up their domains and move to .adult or .sex or whatever. Now, I personally despise all sorts of porn and I despise the sex-centered society we live in, but we can't go around and tell what other people can do and not do! That simply isn't right.

BTW, do a search on altavista.com for "sexual education" and you will get up banners ON altavista with sexual content. That's sad and shouldn't be like that, that one I couldn't agree with more. The same goes for spam, but I hate ALL spam and not just the "buy viagra" shit.

And as for filtering programs, nothing suck worse. I have thankfully never been on a computer with a filter like that but I have heard stories about how people with those filters installed cannot go to a page that contains a cuss word or such things.

This reminds me of the V-chip or whatever it was called that was released in the USA. I heard a good saying about that which also goes for this; "the v-chip, the modern replacement for good parenting". If you don't want your kids going to porn sites, then get involved in what they do, care and spend more time with them and so on.

So sorry, but I won't be signing that petition. I'm sure I somehow will offend people with my post, but this is how I feel about things like that.

I agree with you. Sheesh! They need to ban this crap! There are many countries that have banned such sites nationwide, so no one can access them. Some examples are China, Saudia Arabia, and many more. I think all countries should ban these trashy websites. Internet Explorer has a good block, tha blocks bad sites. I have it on my computer and it works great! It doesn't allow you to access bad sites. I think you can set it by clicking on tools and then on Internet Options.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Ann
In response to Dixieland Dancer:

Let me start off my reply with a quote from one of your presidents; "Those who would give up their essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.". This was said by Benjamin Franklin.

Then let me ask you, how did I FLAME you?! A flame is saying things like "go to hell you stupid moron yadda yadda" or whatever, what I said was just voicing my opinion and HARDLY a flame. Furthermore you are acting like I called you a bad parent; when in reality all I did was say a "witty" quote said about the V-chip which REMINDED me of this whole discussion.

And how can you act like this has to do with YOUR freedom? This is my biggest problem with discussion like this, it's "freedom" as long as it's something YOU like!! Just because you hate porn doesn't mean those people don't deserve THEIR freedom to have sites like that on the net. And sorry to say this, but for you to say that it's not as big deal for the porn owners to give up their domain names just shows that you really know a little about this. Domains are extremely hard to come by these days cause everything's already been registered and a domain name is a trademark, people know it by that name. To force people to give up their property and get some new extension is silly and would not even do any good at all!

I'm not even going to get involved in your whole comment about how you are "thankful for all the soldiers who sacrificed their lives to keep the USA free" because that is one of the things that piss me off more than anything. War is NOT fought to keep a country free; it's fought so a select few people can gain more POWER and MONEY. I suppose you're one of those people who think Hiroshima and Nagasaki is all great and dandy right?

Oh well... I hate getting involved in things like this, it's so pointless. All I did was state my OPINION and you had to act like I was flaming you just ONLY because I did not agree with YOUR view.

Sorry... This is just so silly of us.

Hey Ann, I agree with everything you said. So true. Yeah there is freedom for whites and all, but ask people of other races. Its unfair to make your country "free" while ruining the freedom of others in their own countries. I don't want to make this a big argument, so let's please stop here.

[anna_66]

We also have Internet Explorer (with the filtering set at 0), and we also have a cable ISP, does this make a difference in the sexual sites that are popped up on your computer? I personally have had none of this happen to me (I am a novice computer operator of 9 mos). Is it common to have this stuff "pop-up" on your screen while doing a search? I "can" access porn if I "wanted" to, which I don't but it doesn't just pop up.
And as for email, I have a filter on that (I might get a nasty message every once in a blue moon), but no pictures or anything.
Anyone care to answer my questions, please?

[wolf_Q]

I personally am sick of porn. I get crap in my email all the time, and it's hard to do a search on anything without running into it. I'm not going to get into the debate, but I do think there should be SOMETHING done to not make it so easily accesible to anyone! Let's not get into a fight here, but everyone is allowed to state their opinions.

I don't know all of what's going on with this thread since a few of the people responding are on my ignore list

I've never had to ignore anyone here, it seems to be moderated very well!

[Dixieland Dancer]

I realize I said I would not respond to this thread again but I feel the need to very strongly!

Originally posted by Ann

Let me start off my reply with a quote from one of your presidents; "Those who would give up their essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.". This was said by Benjamin Franklin.

Response: The key to this phrase is ESSENTIAL liberty. If you can tell me how internet porn is an ESSENTIAL liberty then I will tell you I am being foolish! ESSENTIAL to me means necessary... something vital to humanity's well being such as where you work, where you worship, who you associate with or marry. ESSENTIAL means to me that it has to be something indespensible for the betterment of all mankind. I do not see internet porn as being something that is for the betterment of our society. Purchasing temporary safety in Ben Franklin's quote did not refer to internet porn in any way. He was talking about those who would not fight for democracy but cowarded for the safety of Englands rule when we were a fighting to become a nation independant of Englands rule. He was actually addressing those who surcombed to the King of Englands wishes during the American revolutionary war but wanted to still receive the benefits of living in the new American democracy.


Originally posted by Ann

Then let me ask you, how did I FLAME you?! A flame is saying things like "go to hell you stupid moron yadda yadda" or whatever, what I said was just voicing my opinion and HARDLY a flame. Furthermore you are acting like I called you a bad parent; when in reality all I did was say a "witty" quote said about the V-chip which REMINDED me of this whole discussion.


Response:
I took this to indicate that because my son hit a porn site I was not watching him closely enough on the computer. If this was not your intention, then I apologize.


Originally posted by Ann

And how can you act like this has to do with YOUR freedom? This is my biggest problem with discussion like this, it's "freedom" as long as it's something YOU like!! Just because you hate porn doesn't mean those people don't deserve THEIR freedom to have sites like that on the net.

Response:
So is it freedom because someone decides they think it's right even if they hurt other people in the long run? Where do you draw the line? If it is freedom just because someone thinks they have the right to do it then why is murder not a freedom. Why is drinking and driving not a freedom? Why is child molestation not a freedom? It is not freedom just because it is something I like. It is freedom because it is for the well being of all mankind who live under democratic rule. That is why we have the checks and balance system in the USA. To make sure that someone doesn't misconstrue what is a freedom and what is not.


Originally posted by Ann

And sorry to say this, but for you to say that it's not as big deal for the porn owners to give up their domain names just shows that you really know a little about this. Domains are extremely hard to come by these days cause everything's already been registered and a domain name is a trademark, people know it by that name. To force people to give up their property and get some new extension is silly and would not even do any good at all!

Response:
I do know very well what is involved. I have been a systems engineer for major corporations for the past 18 years. My primary responsibility at my current job is connectivity of subsidiaries all over the world via the internet in numerous corporate sites. I was on the ground floor in TCP/IP when corporations were evolving their internet connections. I have been sent to numerous professional schools to learn all about the world of domain hosting and connectivity. While it may be a temporary inconvience to the porn industry to convert, I place the welfare of innocent children who do not need to have that filth thrown at them from every direction, at a higher value!

Originally posted by Ann

I'm not even going to get involved in your whole comment about how you are "thankful for all the soldiers who sacrificed their lives to keep the USA free" because that is one of the things that piss me off more than anything. War is NOT fought to keep a country free; it's fought so a select few people can gain more POWER and MONEY. I suppose you're one of those people who think Hiroshima and Nagasaki is all great and dandy right?

Response:
No I do not think Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all great. Neither do I think the sneak attach on Pearl Harbor was ok by the Imperial Japanese army. What was done at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was an act of war, and act I might add was started by Japan. America was not in the war when they attacked us on our own soil.

My 26 year old son is currently a US Marine. He does not train to go to battle so a few elite people can become more powerful and have more money. He trains so that people who hate America and feel they can come and tear her down like they did on September 11th, 2001 can be stopped. He trains so that we can live and worship without being beaten and killed because of what we believe in. I do appreaciate the sacrifice the soldiers of WWII gave and the soldier of all the other wars. If my son was to die in fighting for his country and did not believe it was to defend our unelienable rights as human beings, then his death is for nothing. That is sadder than any other thing I can think of.

Ann, I do not know anything about you and choose not to get in a word battle with you. I have studied the Revolutionary War and the history behind the Declaration of Independance. I know the history of our Civil War and also know probably more than any of these the history of WWII. I know who I will vote for and why. I do not take my patriotism lightly. I still salute our flag when our National Anthem is sung and stand at attention when it passes by in a parade. I am an American and will also stand to defend my country not for money or power but because I believe in what she stands for! America did not come into existance so the pedifiles could get an easier shot at our children through internet pornography.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Originally posted by Ann

Sorry... This is just so silly of us.

Response:

Finally a statement we can agree on!!

[mugsy]

Anna, I think the cable ISPs are better about that stuff and most others. I know the "free" ISPs have pop-ups all the time. AOL is notorious for it too. I have a yahoo email and there's porn everywhere on that...I just hit delete and move on. That's really about all I ever get on that. Now my comcast email, I get nothing because they don't put anything through that is not solicited. Pop-ups are at the descretion of the ISP as far as I understand. I will check with Mike and see and let you know.

[moosmom]

BY THE WAY, SOME OF US WERE BLACKBALLED ON THIS PARTICULAR FORUM FOR NOT DEALING WITH PET RELATED STUFF, SO WHY IS THIS OKAY??

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the "General" forum for discussions about anything other than pet related issues? No disrespect intended, just curious.

[Soledad]

Well put Mugsy and Anne!

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by anna_66
We also have Internet Explorer (with the filtering set at 0), and we also have a cable ISP, does this make a difference in the sexual sites that are popped up on your computer? I personally have had none of this happen to me (I am a novice computer operator of 9 mos). Is it common to have this stuff "pop-up" on your screen while doing a search? I "can" access porn if I "wanted" to, which I don't but it doesn't just pop up.
And as for email, I have a filter on that (I might get a nasty message every once in a blue moon), but no pictures or anything.
Anyone care to answer my questions, please?

I have DSL and have never really had a bad site pop up window. I do get pop up advertisments sometimes, but nothing bad........just phone rates advertisments, etc. The Internet Explorer filter thing blocks the right sites, and not the wrong ones. I mean, like it doesn't block stuff its not supposed to block like other dumb filters I've experienced. If anyone tries to access bad sites on my computer (no one in the house ever would) they can't. I have my bulk mail filter set of hotmail, and it keeps most of the junk out, but not all. I wish it would filter all the trashy emails! I have a policy though, of not opening any email that I don't know where its coming from. All my junk mail goes straight to the trash.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by mugsy
I'm with you Ann, we have a thing here in the US called freedom of speech and expression. While I personally despise porn, I won't interfere with other people's right to view it. I find it degrading to women, but, I guess, they made the choice to participate, so, they must not mind and as long as they leave me alone, then all the better. As for pop-ups, just delete them....it's just one button. That is one of the reasons I wouldn't use AOL on a bet because they allow the popups and ads etc. We don't get them at all with comcast because they don't let it in. Now, they do have the right to send it as a means of advertising, so if your ISP allows it...just delete it.

I don't know all of what's going on with this thread since a few of the people responding are on my ignore list, but, our Constitution, for better or worse, allows us to express ourselves freely. By censoring, all you are doing are furthering the "Big Brother" syndrome.

By the way, some of us were black balled on this particular forum for not dealing with pet related stuff, so why is this ok?

I respect everyone's opinion on here and everywhere else since this is what makes us "us" and any different is being intolerant, but I won't be signing the petition either.

I totally agree with you, but some women like to be degraded nowadays. Some idiots. I consider these women, abused women snatched from their rights, and they don't know it.

[Cincy'sMom]

I don't want to get in the middle of this becuase I think both "sides" make excellent points. I will say I did sign the petition, not becuase I think all porn should be off the internet...if you want to look at it that is your right. I find it disgusting. I signed the petition because I am tired of my hotmail inbox being filled with porn related links and the like. I think it is way too easy to access esp. for kids and that needs to be better controled. Does that take away some freedom? Maybe. But does it protect kids? Yes. Which aspect is more important? That is a question that can only be answered by each individual person...and it won't be the same for everyone.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Cincy'sMom
I don't want to get in the middle of this becuase I think both "sides" make excellent points. I will say I did sign the petition, not becuase I think all porn should be off the internet...if you want to look at it that is your right. I find it disgusting. I signed the petition because I am tired of my hotmail inbox being filled with porn related links and the like. I think it is way too easy to access esp. for kids and that needs to be better controled. Does that take away some freedom? Maybe. But does it protect kids? Yes. Which aspect is more important? That is a question that can only be answered by each individual person...and it won't be the same for everyone.

Freedom is a very important aspect in life, and all people should have the right to live a free life. There are some aspects of freedom, however, that if provided openly, bring harm to the society. The more people allowed to visit such websites, the greater the risk of having an immoral, disgusting society. I think freedom should be there, but not in this aspect. It is better to have a clean society, than to provide freedom in every single thing including absolutely unacceptable activities, that bring harm to the society.

[wolflady]

Originally posted by popcornbird


Freedom is a very important aspect in life, and all people should have the right to live a free life. There are some aspects of freedom, however, that if provided openly, bring harm to the society. The more people allowed to visit such websites, the greater the risk of having an immoral, disgusting society. I think freedom should be there, but not in this aspect. It is better to have a clean society, than to provide freedom in every single thing including absolutely unacceptable activities, that bring harm to the society.

Well said

[jackiesdaisy1935]

I'm not even going to get involved in your whole comment about how you are "thankful for all the soldiers who sacrificed their lives to keep the USA free" because that is one of the things that piss me off more than anything. War is NOT fought to keep a country free; it's fought so a select few people can gain more POWER and MONEY. I suppose you're one of those people who think Hiroshima and Nagasaki is all great and dandy right? Ann

THAT'S IT FOR ME, my husband spent 25 years in the Navy in Navy Helicopters, he was in Korea and Viet Nam, working around the clock, day in and day out, why do you think he did that? For the fun of it? For the great pay? He spent 8 months at a time away from home so that the people in this country could be free.
How do you know why war is fought, you have lived in a neutral country safe and sound for many, many years. Never took a stand as far as I know.
Don't you dare tell us you are pissed off about hearing all about the soldiers who gave their lives for freedom and the soldiers, sailors and marines who are over there now trying to protect us from the terrorism that is worldwide. You could be the next target, and would be glad to see those U.S. Marines, Navymen and Soldiers.
As far as Porn, it was a lot better when it was in the closet, at least the kids weren't subjected to it on the computer, magazines, movies etc. etc. Does everyone think this country is better off now that there is hardly any censoring at all? Geee fifty years ago I don't remember this much child pornography, this much child abduction, this much rape and this much murdering of our little children. I don't believe our forefathers realized freedom of speech, etc. etc. would ever go this far.
It hurts to know how some people feel on this board, I just put a post on my site to thank the men in uniform for their unselfish devotion to God and Country.
Jackie

[Soledad]

who sets the standards for what's acceptable and what isn't? And at what point does it stop? I'm not really interested in living in a world where other people decide what I see and what I don't see. What are we going to do next, Popcornbird, burn books?